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Good morning.
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So good morning. So this is the last meeting will have. Completely online I guess so after the break next week and then. The following Tuesday march 1 we'll. we'll see some of you and classroom 125. And then. We hope, hope that part goes well. so happy Tuesday. I know it's Thursday. First. your attendance. Sharing screen. Here we go. Okay, so there's the attendance password. Now these things, open and separate windows. Okay, so upcoming events tomorrow at. project proposal. And if you're working with a group for your project. It would be nice if you can. indicate the group before you submit the projects we can get that setup. So there's a request for a sample proposal or two. I didn't i'm not quite finished with that. So. i'll work on doing that, just after class. And i'll send a note about it. Any other questions about. The project proposal. i'll take that as a no. I have office hours between. 10 and noon today, and again 23233. And there are a couple. I get so what at least one email this morning, so. If you want to ask me questions by email that's Okay, too. If you use the link on your courses. To send me email. It has a. Regular. It puts a subject create a subject of CS to email contact which helps me. Find emails from you. Can as the project proposal need to be an APA format. So. I think we talked about MLA. Is APA. So i'm not. terribly familiar with the ins and outs of each of them. So it's I would say it's not. I don't have a particular requirement. For particular format. So I would say. use an accepted. If you're used to using APA or MLA. You can go ahead and do that. So. don't switch. So to switch from one pager and one or two pages, but. pick one and be consistent with the way your formatting the document. I would like to tell you there's an acm. style guide but. My I haven't looked to see if one's materialized. Let me look right now. Last time I looked. Because there was not a prescribed format for everybody, because different. special interest groups within the Association for computing machinery. adopt different conventions so. So i'm Please see that there's some kind of. kind of. discussion with acm format is more of a consistent thing. Let me just. share this. share that search with you. Anyway, that's, not to say that you need to. figure out. How these links apply to you writing a proposal. So. use. The format you're most comfortable with that's. and use it consistently. Okay. let's see my right.
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I have a question so for our project proposal we have to do recession and we just have to write ECHO by top reason I did not do any recession, I just wrote director.
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well. So the proposal is indicating what you plan to do. So you can you can indicate. The research that's part of as part of your plan. But i'm. But I wonder if there's a way to do a bit of research to. kind of convince yourself that. This is the topic and then deliverable you've chosen our. You. enough material to do the project on that make sense, so. So you don't need to have a number of references in your proposal but. I think it might be wise to. convince yourself there's enough. material to do the project. So it makes sense.
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Okay. So I just. Following up the other thing we talked about. what's the project was to website Assessment group. assignment. So did I believe that I sent out an email to everyone, about that. I think it's here. So. I made, I made the list of groups publicly accessible. or not publicly accessible, they still. Within our password protected, you are courses area. That i've indicated the group membership. And so, based on comments I received after the meeting. I am open to. Changing groups around. So let me first. So. If you're going to create a new group. It should be was either four or five people in it. And you should tell me the. two groups that you're in. Then. Tell me the the Web groups and each of the members of your new proposed group so i'll create a new group and. remove you from the other groups. seem okay. Yes, Sir okay so. Here is the. list of groups I hope. drumroll please. So i've removed student numbers from the list so it's just. it's just names and email addresses. And partway through doing this. I thought of an easier way for me to do it. i'm just going to start naming them Alphabetically. So. Anyway, what I did, to create the groups, as I took. The classroom groups in this put them into. Each classroom group. Come becomes or became to web groups. So. The details of the group name here, so there are 12 classroom groups and now they're 24 web groups. So. Anyway, I think i've said so too much about that already. Not. Like i've revealed something that I just talked enough about it so. Find out. If you have a group in mind. find all the group members. In your current web groups. So i'll create a new web group for you and then delete people from. Their existing web groups. So i'm i'm open to doing that. Okay, and then, if some if some groups end up being smaller than four or five then i'll. do some. realignment. Maybe let's try and. let's aim for March 1 or meeting back after the break. Not that will do it in the meeting but let's say the march 1 is the. Is the day that will. aim for having any changes to the group's. finalized. Okay. Okay, so. Let me. me add a note here. To my message. Okay. Okay, so. There i've tried. So replied to this thread in the discussion, if you want to request a new group. So if you're totally fine with the group's you're you were put in is there anything you need to do. know. So the one caveat, I guess is just to see whether everyone in your group feels the same way. So this. So if you have a group of five maybe you're fine with it, maybe there's one person who's not fine with it and the. They leave your group. So that's your concern, but if. i'm just say there may be an opportunity to communicate with groups. beforehand to. Before well. Communication amongst groups is a good thing, I think. It helps to limit surprises, and I think perhaps that's a way to say it. So there's also a question about. return to class in person, so if you're in. If you're in the face to face section 01 F, I believe, is called. An idea ideally. also see you in person on march 1. That being said. I think there's. there's that there's a way. I don't have an issue with people who are in the face to face section. Who are. Joining the meetings. Via zoom. After march 1 very beginning march 1. The thing that I. am trying to get some more clarity about is the final exam and. What options, there are for that so. So we'll talk about the final. Once you come back. So I at this moment i'm not quite sure. So visual. Tell me more about what your belief is about.
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I, I think that it should be the same for both the sections, however, it is, if it is off line than offline for both online and online for both the sections of that. it's the same process for all the students and since people are not comfortable being offline then it could be online for both.
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Thanks for clarifying your comment. And that's my thinking as well. i'm just going to explore the logistics of it more and requirements, so I don't want to. tell you something now and. find out that it's not. it's not possible. So. I agree that it would be nice ideally we'd have the same. final exam seven and valuation. for everyone so look the same.
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Just like we got to the final In both cases, if, like if you have decided to be offline or online, would you be able to make it just like an open book exam like just like writing an essay or something like that better writing project, instead of just going and can be a closed book.
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Well, what i'm leaning towards is. Having both kinds of questions so. writing. Something is server take home. question, but then also doing. And maybe having say a 24 hour limiter. For the take home style question and then. There would be. A more traditional. exam or you answer questions. In a very much shorter time frame say two hours. So I invite your input about. Creating an exam that's going to be a fair assessment of your learning today. Well, of your learning over the Semester. Okay, and i'm not trying to end conversation about it. But I don't have much more to offer. At this point. Okay, so there's a question about the project proposal so just. One member of the group submitting as. As well as preferred. So if you know your issue. you've got your group set up. If you communicated by posting to that other discussion. thread. Then. We get your group set up beforehand so. It just goes more smoothly. If you're not able to finalize things. ahead of time. Just make sure that the proposal you. The document you you submit the one member of your groups events as everybody's. Your vagina email ID. The part of your you returning email address that comes before the at sign. You before the you regina.ca. Then we'll. we'll create it during the marketing process. Okay. I was doing this on my phone. And I said, some of these things look interesting. So let me recreate. let's do is compare a comparison of manitoba. Two weeks. And we can select here. new cases and deaths. coven. So, here it is first in sketch. So. So we're get we're supposed to gather another report today. So see whether that. What range of dates that covers. It feel like this slow approach here is something like. Well, not not the approach but. Without without data there's no problem. No data no problem. yeah. So. Is it is there a role for. Computer professionals to play in this.
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Well, computer professionals would. be in charge of collecting data, or at least organizes presenting it. and distributed it, I suppose.
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yeah so. So. The phrase transparency comes to mind the phrase, the term that. The word transparency comes to mind. So, in terms of the presentation of the data that comes on the Google dashboard. Or, however, this. This is described. So. Transparency in it. Is I found this is a good description transparency it's not. an ethical. principle on its own. You know. But it can be it can support ethical behavior so. Pro ethical. So in this case. Somebody looks at this. agent says well. it's gotten a lot better and substantial. So. Is that a. Is that a reasonable. reading of this data. These displays. So how could this display be improved. Any ideas.
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It could have some kind of information about why it's reading zero. Like after this date numbers are no longer being reported.
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Or the graph could just end. So you can always go back, but you can't go forward, because that's invalid data.
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yeah. So there's. no indication. there's no data. And i'm not sure what's going to have services supposedly our second weekly report today. So, will they report. For the sick, for the Seventh, Eighth, Ninth 10th 11th and 12th. and 13th. We give daily totals for the week the past. or will they have a single. spike on one day. or. So don't expect it to be up. Up to today well it's not gonna. I suspect it's not going to be. reported up to the 16th up to, including the 16. Maybe maybe to the 13th saw i'm not sure. So what are some ways that we can. So we could stop the graph maybe use a dotted line and add to the legend that it's not reported. Okay, so Cory what. He said, a new article.
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yeah so the weekly update last Thursday on the 10th. didn't. didn't go up to the ninth so. i'm not sure whether the weekly update for today will go up to the 16th. Or how it will be presented. So we'll see. So this is not. Venture government. is doing. What it's doing and. That decision has been made. So i'm talking now about. How do we. reflect. The data being reported from saskatchewan. And in display How does go, how should Google approach this. So. Look at this display. It doesn't seem to. At first glance, you think Oh well, after February 5. Sorry February 6. There weren't any more new cases.
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yeah it would make sense if the days without any data we're just creating out and then like a little pop up saying like no available data. That would make it the lumber clear.
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So if if we're designed the web page. And the code to go with it. Then there's a freakin the computer professionals. So that that's. The responsibility, they have to. easily interpret.
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I guess are misleading data like this can actually increase the number of cases. Like even more because, like there might be many people who might get reluctant to follow the rules of covert 19 because they might feel like yeah the pieces are very much. You know, like negligible in Regina or like in in saskatoon saskatchewan so they might actually stop wearing masks or you're not like keeping safe, so this might also increase the number of cases.
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Well there's still some rules. Until the end of the month. So on the 14% vaccination. was discontinued vaccination or negative test result was discontinued and on. Every 28, as I understand it, the indoor masking requirement will. will go away also. So. see what happens if we do more locations to this statistics. So this is. Nothing seems to match. But it's not clear where this. Okay, so let's see him. i'm. yeah. So i'm just going to say that. When there was a study that was. presented. done by the Professor from U of T. About excess deaths. There was a comment made that just got from reporting, to a certain database lagging behind. So I was going to guess that the hundred and. 662 came from that database. But now it's not their new. So i'm not sure if it was a matter of. So maybe another responsibility for. The computer professionals dealing with this kind of displays to make sure. So issues about refreshing the page. The dashboard so here's a link to the dashboard i'm just curious. If it's still available. So it wasn't clear whether the dashboard was. not going away or just not being updated. So I think that it's not going to be. updated for public consumption. So. I put a few links here. For your. review. And we'll discuss them after the break. So here's the Wikipedia link to. A page that describes the recipient claim rights and liberty rates. So those things. We can take as a rate. Without. affecting anyone else, and those things that we. Take us rates which depend on the behavior of other people. So another way to think about that maybe is rights and responsibilities. So I gave you this. link, this is a different link to the same material, I believe. suffering. So Steve mcconnell's talk about. judgment in software engineering. So we'll have a different presentation. Because. So of interest us as maybe what's. up to the end of topic 21. Years a couple of Ted videos. So some people mentioned the social dilemma documentary from netflix last year, the year before. So Kristen Harris is somebody involved in that. And I mentioned Douglas rushkoff Douglas rushkoff. I believe. You said program or be programmed. Anyway, this is Douglas rushkoff you did a Ted talk as well. Okay, so. Hope i've left you with some food for thought over the break but not so much that you're not going to enjoy. Family day and. A bit of a. break from classes and. All that good stuff. Okay, so have a good break everyone stay well. Take care. we'll see you on march 1 if not before. Okay.
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Professor.
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Thank you, you too. Take care. Thanks.
Zoom Chat Transcript
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attendance passowrd?
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Student password
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Does the project proposal need to be in APA format?
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please can someone share attendance password?
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e3btum
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thx
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Sir, will you take the groups for the website assessment project into consideration?
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https://www.google.com/search?q=acm+style+guide&oq=acm+style+guide
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if we're totally fine with the groups were put in is there anything we need to do?
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is final online for both?
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I believe it should be.
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For the project proposal, does every members in the same group need to submit or one person submitting is enough?
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Alright, I got it
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I think they said that Saskatchewan stopped reporting on covid cases/deaths
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See problem solved! Just stop reporting it.
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Sweeping it under the rug lol
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If I can't see it there's no danger ^_^
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https://thestarphoenix.com/news/local-news/saskatchewan-to-scrap-covid-19-dashboard-end-daily-updates-next-week
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feb 3
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still says they will provide weekly updates
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there are no more rules
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so...
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we are not allowed to enter a bus without mask
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Why is my Saskatchewan deaths 150 more than yours!
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Its the same source
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Saskatchewan
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Alright. That matches now. But where did it get 862 on the last page?
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Oh look at that 150 people just died.
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Thank you, have a nice break!
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You have a good break too
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Take care. thanks!
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Responses
The most important thing that I encountered:
- The video by Tristan Harris
- The most important thing that I learned is the pep talk by Steve McConnell who is CEO and Chief Software Engineer at Construx Software where he consults to a broad range of industries.
- That google's results may sometimes be misleading due to a lack of data, but google does not explicitly indicate that.
- The most important thing that I learned in the lecture today is the details about our assignments and what we are supposed to do for them.
- Sometimes charts might not be in the best format for the subject
- That the way we are displaying covid numbers is inaccurate
- A claim right is a legal right that imposes responsibilities, duties, or obligations on other persons in relation to the right-holder. A liberty right, on the other hand, is a right that implies no responsibilities on the side of third parties, but simply flexibility or consent for the right-holder.
- In today's class we have discuss about designing algorithms and the transparency which google display in its website. It is very important to show correct data because if people think that there are zero cases then they think that corona virus is gone and they will not take precaution against covid.
- The no data make everyone sad.
- gogle
- In today's lecture the prof shows the search result for the covid cases in Saskatchewan. Overall, today's lecture was very impressive and also prof told some improvements which google can do.
- Today we discussed how Saskatchewan stopped reporting COVID deaths and how we as computing professionals can better design webpages to be more transparent by communicating that the daily tally isn't getting new data. An individual who looks at it might conclude that Saskatchewan has no new COVID deaths.
- Today I learned about Saskatchewan COVID cases and Death numbers and how it is reported in Google or other global sites. There is a variance in numbers for sure.
- The government stopped collect COVID case data to make the statistic graph become zero.
- learning about the new website project and regrouped as per professors suggestions
- Project Proposal can be in MLA format
- In today's class, we discussed about the statistics and data about the Covid-19 cases and deaths in province have been shown. We also discussed about two interesting videos. One of which was related to how some tech companies have control over billions of minds.
- The most important thing I learned today is that it is important to have a system in place that notifies people when data has not been entered. With the sask covid cases, it should mention that data will only be updated weekly so people aren't mislead to believing that zero cases or deaths are being added.
- I think our discussion on the Saskatchewan Covid Cases widget to be very interesting. I think it is really important that if a tool like this is put out, it is either entirely accurate, or indicates when data stops. This would be a much better approach than simply showing that there are 0 new cases.
- Watching Tristan Harris Ted Talk, I learned how clever technology and social media companies are. They do a lot of things to attract your attention to spend more time on their platform. Examples are youtube create autoplay, Facebook and Instagram also started doing it too on their video feeds. Social Media's are traps to keep people on their screen and they are doing very well at executing it.
- Based on our discussion and videos in class, it really gave me a new perspective on technology. Like, sure deep down I knew the people behind these companies are not all great, but I wanted to believe they had good intentions. For example, people are saying Youtube or snapchat is taking advantage of humanity's attention span and redirecting us to spend more time on our tech. As a undergraduate computer science major, it made me think of what difference i want to make in the future industry.
- From the videos uploaded on the website, I learnt more about how social media platforms are greatly influencing people's thoughts. It's impact on the youth is even more alarming considering that kids and teens are the easiest to be influenced since they are only just shaping their ideas and sense of self. I wonder if such a practice can even be considered ethical? Adults often blame the youth for being fixated by their phones, but social media is designed to be addicting, so are they really to blame?
- We discussed about project proposal due date and website assessment group assignment. March 1st is the cutoff for the web assignment request for group set up. March 1st we will resume class at the university. We talked about Saskatchewan Corona virus Status, Dashboard Saskatchewan.
- Today we discussed about the importance of designing algorithms with transparency, we discussed with googles example on displaying covid results which a user might take that as correct but as government is censoring them they might not have accurate data, to solve this we discussed that it would be better if there is a note below the count explaining it.
- I learned that the project proposal is due tomorrow
- How to write a project proposal
- The most important thing I learned today was that the discontinuation of data without clarifying that it has been discontinued can be misleading.
- The most important thing I learned today is how the technology evolves is not natural. There is a competition for our attention and if it remains profitable, companies will keep developing strategies to try to keep us hooked on what they are selling. Therefore, it is essential that we have checks and balancecs in the system that regulates the way this companies are able to target people. Nobody, should have the ability to motivate the actions of a particular group of people.
- Today, we have discussed about assignment little bit and later on discussed about the transparency of google topic related Saskatchewan coronavirus stats.
- The most important thing I learned today was about claim and liberty rights . Before this I knewed nothing about that.
- With regard to Google's disclosure of COVID deaths, we highlighted the need of building algorithms with openness today.
- In todays lecture we learned about the google page regarding COVID cases and how the data is interrupted by the provincial government. As government is not responding covid cases and it’s showing 0 cases. So that’s the important thing that I learned in todays lecture.
- In today's lecture, I saw a video which is based on how companies control billions of mind everyday by distracting them and besides that they also get benefits from it.
- We watched TED TALK today and learned that a handful of tech companies can use technology to deliver information and ideas that people want to see. Also the digital future can influence the shape of people. That's why the Internet is so important now. While resource sharing is widely used in politics, military, economy and science, it also creates various problems, among which security is particularly important. Not only does it involve personal interests, corporate survival, and financial risks, but it is
- today, initially we discussed some videos on YouTube that were mentioned in the class wiki. Then we had brief conversations with each other about the rising cases of covid and its adverse affect on mankind. Some also suggested unique and innovative measures to overcome it.
- Stick with one style when writing the proposal.
- The most important thing i have learned today is how important it is to design algorithms with proper transparency.
- Nothing.
- The most important thing I learnt in today's lecture was how to write an project proposal and its format. And how it can ease up my final project progression.
- In todays class, we discussed about citation format. We also discussed about the groups for web project and Covid cases.
- The importance of data visualization. Major decisions are taken at a policy and individual level are taken based on how data is presented to us. So if it is not done properly, or in a misleading way, it can have major impacts on all of our lives.
- the most important thing that I learned is about SK cases and the data posted on the website to follow up with the news of COVID cases in SK. Also, I learned that Computer Science professionals have a roles in collecting data or organizing the source of the data or whether the data is correct or not.
- The video was a neat idea to watch in class
- next week is break and we will back to in person class
- Artificial intelligence itself is not right or wrong, but its users. Just as a bullet or a gun does not start a war but is driven by evil, profit-driven politicians. The race towards making humans redundant is a political act.
The most difficult thing for me to understand:
- I understand the negative effects of social media and how people become addicted to their screens and not "the real world" but I do not understand how some people don't understand the benefits to social media. Everything people are exposed to that they never would have seen or heard about before or the millions of opinions and different values that you learn from complete strangers. It's opened so many possibilities for everyone but the "older" generation is too caught up on the negative. It's frustrating
- I'd like to know more a out the idea of technofeudalism and hod how it relates to our normal everyday life today
- I find it hard to understand why would the Saskatchewan government would stop reporting Covid cases
- If we want to have a trust worthy data, the data should be consistent. I am questioning the decision of Saskatchewan leaders to stop posting daily update of Covid 19. Are they stop gathering daily data or just stop collecting data? It has been more than 1 week since they posted the last time
The thing about which I would most like to know more:
- It would be intresting to understand why there was a discrepenice in the data shown to the professor and another student
- Tristan Harris’s video discussed the most important topic: “How we ethically steer thoughts and actions of two billion people’s minds everyday?”. He strongly advocated his views which making a comprehensive shift toward humane technology that operates for the common good, strengthening our capacity to tackle our biggest global challenges. To tackle this humongous crisis, firstly we need to have self-awareness. Step two is transforming design - a massive find-replace all the manipulative ways.
- Where does judgment lie in the absence of humans in software? As software becomes more advanced there is less human and more software imitating humans. Take for example self-driving cars. One might consider specific scenarios to be trolly problemesque in one needs to think altruistic. Should ethical scenarios that would involve life and death be left to an algorithm? If so, Who would be the one to blame? Does one punish the developer that made the code, the company, or is the judgment self-inflicted?
- When would this Saskatchewan covid case chart end? Will it keep saying 0 cases everyday for the next week, month...?
- Today we discussed how misinformation can be spread via trustable sources like Google. Like the example of the number of covid 19 cases in SK on the last 1 week. I am willing to know about how we as computer professionals work against such misinformation spreading worldwide.
- covid situation in saskachetwan
- Today we mostly spoke about Saskatchewan's decision to discontinue updating the COVID-19 cases. When I first thought about it, I wondered why they would do such a thing. I always check the number of cases on a frequent basis in order to plan my next movements. Right now, the government of this province is treating it as if it were a common cold. I'm not too upset about it, but we should still be cautious. I say, keep updating the cases till WHO declares it is the end of the pandemic.
- Is why Google doesn't modify their graph for the covid cases being misleading. It would probably cost a decent amount money I guess for them to modify their system to somehow figure that out for other provinces as well. It would, however, clarify the data if people look back on it/analyze it for other purposes
- I would like to know more about software engineering judgement.
- Is what our classroom will be like with people in person and over zoom.
- Computer professionals are generally responsible for collecting, storing, organizing and representing the digital information accurately. I would like to know more about the transparency of all these steps mentioned previously because transparency itself is not an ethical principle but it can support ethical behaviour and I would be interested in knowing more about it.
- How to setup a project proposal, the sample format was really helpful, thanks Dr. Hepting!
- I am not really an expert in writing essays or blogs and I feel like the project exercise will help me to improve on my writing skills and information gathering.
- Today we talked about Google search engine and how it works and what were it prons and cons... So I think I would like to know more like the things uploaded on google are recent and latest or is google lacking..... So I think it was good discussion today.
- The government stopped uploading the number of covid cases. The number of cases g
- Suppose, I am not happy with google collecting my data, and I am not happy with filter bubble either. Then what should I do? Some of those permissions are necessary if you want to use the service. Without giving those permissions, someone can't use those services. We don't have alternatives for all the facilities provided by google. So eventually, it doesn't matter what your opinion is, you don't have much options!
- Is having a personal data record-keeping system a good idea?
- What are some resources I can use to better understand risks in programming?
- Todays lecture was amazing it started with the attendance. After that there was a discussion on how tech companies control millions of mind and how such companies effect us. We also talked about our project proposal.
- I would like to know more about what laws are currently in place that promote and encourage transparency in statistics, news, and other online information sources. I would also like to know more about how to create different programs that provide transparency.
- how accurate the covid statistic is
- The thing i would like to know how more statistics given by google and why countries not testing more about the Covid cases
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