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morning everyone. last day of our meetings. and glad to hear that. i'm. Sorry, the last semesters on Monday. sense. Anyway, you know that. Twice or good measure. Thinking about when can I make this available. Logistics so. that's what i'm thinking.
Well, I for one would like more time, if that is possible. Apparently, because I have a math exam right after years and usually I like studying for the two days prior to any math exam.
Okay.
Well, I don't want to.
Make it too long, either, I guess, we can do 72 hours. So.
yeah.
I looked for regulations about this, I didn't see so. We do. That. Say it's do when they sat and sun, does that mean. We have to finish playful like admin where we would start working on it, it might not know. So it will be your. Only one end of April. I see, so we start working on a. 17 1672 hours. Yes. Because the logistics of having some great class and some people right online for time art events. Professional. responsibilities.
Professor can you adjust the camera a little to the right. Thanks.
So asked you first suggestions about exam questions. So so welcome those. let's see today's the seventh. Some say the 14th. And the end of the day. let's say by noon on the 14th. Okay, so. Maybe a longer one. For ones as well. But i'm open to suggestions for the. sys makeup of the exam. Okay, and it's worth. So no I can't extend the due date for the exam. Oh.
hey.
So. yeah so the project, we can. discuss a little bit, but the exam is going to be finished at April on April 19 at noon. Okay.
So, will it be a three hour time window between these three days or like can we work on it for three days.
There will be times. Such. You won't have you won't have a three hour time when they do not three days. Three days to. To to write your answers.
like an open window, so we have like $70. yeah.
So you will get the questions you can access the questions. On April 16 at noon. Language so they're open exams. That time.
Okay.
Thanks services covered it. caught up my pictures of the boards and. transcripts and. responses. so far. So I was trying to airdrop photos from my. iPhone. To my macbook air and. It just wasn't working so I had to get an old cable and the US. With the US, the old USB connector. and Do. That for law. anyway. said that I should. Try that out. So the only problem was that sometimes I have. Taken his movies. i'm not sure why I grabbed the end. Okay, so that's. My site and it's seems to be working. Not just in my imagination, but actually. For today's. Did include a couple of links here, so one is a Canadian information processing society. So this is the website. So I mean that another time right look at this website, as opposed to the computer science Department of State. That says it is too graphic. and none great resolution. See the magic around the letters. anyway. it's a good organization. There, this is the. organization for completed information technology professionals of Canada. So. I encourage. You to look. at them. And here's the Association for computing machine. To their student memberships. And there's a special interest groups. So renters to this class would be maybe the sig sig CAS special interest group and computers and society. Food guy. special interest group on computer human interaction. Maybe 60 SEC. like to say 60. computer science, education. special interest group and computer science, education. So they're celebrating 75 years. So 75 years it's. Not the board. So shish the 47 that's Nick. will say 47. So that's right from the very beginning of computing. As I mentioned, we had a student chapter here. Some years Nice.
See.
Okay extension for the project any comments about that.
Two days.
What do you think send us. How about in person start seeing okay. Okay anything else. Do that right now. OK, so the 13th of April. So tango human interfaces in class and then it struck me. What the in humanity and your courses or moodle interface. So I don't I don't want to sell protect the names of the innocent I will show you the screens exactly but i'll describe the problem. So for the Web assessment, I divided into groups of four or five. So 24 groups so two markers so I wanted to do well groups. REACH marker. So. So, how would you how would you think about approaching that problem if you if you allow. groups, the Group assignment. Just my master. race this. makes sense, I think I have 24 groups and i'd like to divide them equally between two people who are marking. So i'm not looking at your courses. You and be able to look at your course to see this. So just thinking about. Signing. markers to. associate markers with particular submissions. Doing. descent without thinking about how you are going to talk to people and having your courses doing it, how does it. Without being constrained. With a sense of what you are courses or moodle does. So, how would you think about an interface to do that. So question.
Okay.
I don't want you to guess about where you are courses does right now I want you to think about what makes the most sense if you're if you were. Doing this. assigning markers to these group assignments. Any ideas about that. Professor to group individuals.
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assigned that.
That group, a single.
project that can be marked as. Great as the black roll back. So useful. notion that Simon. One assignment per group so it's not like inspiring from the group, we have to. So we want the market to be associated all five of those people instead of. Maybe splitting the Alpha group. Between markers because that wouldn't make sense. So even saying that I might like to say. So i'd like I think big a button like that it's going to be school, so I can see how many groups are going to say here are the markers who are going to be marking assignment. assigned the same number of groups to each marker. Any other thoughts. So you can say. We can figure out the math so that approximately. Okay. My. randomly assigning the groups. yeah fine taken. The lead and just have. Things. Things they're here are the set of features a barrel likes and here's the features that. corey likes and here's the you know so we're gonna. a collection of things that don't make sense to everybody, but I to me, there are things in moodle that seem like that's happened already. So. Because they have certain things. That are probably very clear to some people, but not to the average person I would think they're not very clear to me what their intent. anyway. So, even then, I would say. There you their interfaces like this, or see. We have. So I can just pick and choose from this list and make an association. So there are examples of what of interfaces that exist in your in moodle that can be adapted. To me.
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assign a group assignment to markers The key thing is that it's a group assignment and so she operating on a level groups of individuals. courses and middle. drop down. By labels are tested for saying. So if I select one. And then I got a list of numbers. So. select all group members. So I got a screen stuff like i'm here I select the group and I get to the people in that group. But I don't I don't have the name of the group on that screen I select all the group members, I say assign them to this marker. So I do that, and this dialog box to come up and said, are you sure you want to do this, yes okay changing.
anyway.
And all this is done by clicking. A year wow. there's a group. I can, maybe I can select the group.
Less than.
just get them off the list ordered by groups. So the reason why this is important is so that the people, the two markers have the right names in the spreadsheet. So yeah we're doing for using a spreadsheet but. want to make sure that.
marks.
It could be a collaborative document. Like to person have the same way to a document then whatever you update it say about this, but the person. yeah. To read the sun more complicated than. It was just focusing on the way it. is okay, I think I think it would be okay, if I just showed showed us. Your course interface for this. Is not these hadn't been marked yet so that. Okay, so here's. So i'm going to save your submissions. So several groups, and I can say. Look, for Saturday. And there are people in this group. So the idea is to select them all. And then was selected, then I went to assign said allocated marker. And then I have to click go. Go really want to do this, yes. Okay, so that's quite a few stuffs and I have to do that 24 times. So the other idea my strategy that I thought might work. Is what if I. started writing group. And I can sort by group. I can start by marker. I can sort by status, I can search by email address. I can search by name. I can assign sort by group. Like my thought would be. groups. Groups change. one. can organize list in that way. yeah. The same effect to be an option that. to distinguish between individual assignment and the assignment, so this layout would have just the trials or painful truths that you and then.
The lockers and just give it wonderful.
yeah. So it's still like to have individuals in the spreadsheet because we'd like to get everyone having the same good everyone had to get a mark. About that would be solved if if there is a column as well markers degree it's after the fact, and. Those recently passed would go to the. yeah. I think that's. A good idea to just to hide the details so where I to me what seems inhumane about this interface. That I do a lot of clicking. And that happens, a lot of kicking clicking 24 times. Whereas I could imagine. You know there's some facility to say this group assignment people submit in groups. And only one person in the group nisha submitted so and the information is there. But it's not being used, and so I have to deal with. assigning. markers to not two groups, but two sets of individuals. Or, in the same group. So I think as computer professionals, we have a responsibility to. Think about the impact of our decisions. And people who are designed moodle done lots of good things, but this is an area where they haven't thought through to meet those where they haven't thought through the implications of the design and so there's definitely room for improvement. So I don't know if it's exactly the same as. Marking. sounds similar to what you're describing. But it's also, I think, also we don't need to think about. The way the ways to work around things. So often it's. Just you're competing it's like well people can figure out how to use it and it's a badge of line to figure out a user. And that's part of the challenge for the excitement of the whole. package. They can both be professional. Saying can you that that's the bars too low to say that people can figure it out. The idea is that continuing. To me, is. A way to augment human abilities, not to. make people running around in circles bang their heads against the wall. So that quote hey that's a good place to end. Quote I have from JCR lickliter 1960 where he talks about the. The the time it'll take develop on human computer symbiosis and might be five years, it might be 500 years, but that is the most exciting and it's intellectually stimulating period, and I think that's where. Where we are now opportunity we have.
The focus.and
Helping at. and furthering this that often users, a symbiotic relationship between people and computers. When people are using computers to achieve. Greater things.
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Greater things will still remain in control not let it not ceding control computers, but. This was a symbiotic relationship. Yes, if we see control the computers will end up the. terminator scenario is it skynet and. gone to the well too many times with the movies now.
anyway.
anyway. that's. That would not be a good way to. A good future for us.
To have like five mark five minutes there, but I just have a question the project deliverable rubric has four miles further completed plan so if you are basically writing a research paper, how do we write about the complete then part I do need to include like dates or timelines. And likes some things to read it in the proposal.
it's just sort of fit say thank you to send us for that last column. So it's. An indication that. You follow through on your plan that's why I interpreted. So you had milestones in. In your plan, and so, then those milestones are realized in deliverable. So that make sense.
Yes, thank you.
Any other questions or concerns.
And when you have office hours today at 232 30.
Yes.
Thank you.
And they have them from you can commune as well. So i'll try and. keep my office hours next week as well. that's. Okay. Good it's been a interesting semester. It seems like it's been longer than three months, three months somehow we started in. January. But thank you for the Semester and your engagement participation this semester. And I hope to see you. Again future Maybe the time when won't have to be wearing masks. Anyway, Okay, thank you take care, everyone. Thanks.
Professor what is a word limit of our project if we're doing individual.
Sorry again here.
Like what is the word limit of our project. Like of project if we are doing individual.
individually. individual project. So my comments about assigning martyrs to groups was just about whether it's a website assessment that group assignment. It wasn't about the project.
Like, but it will be okay, for you right just full five pages.
So remember the length.
yeah about the length. So.
i'm sure that. Somewhere in our. conversations, but I would say about 1500 words going to take. it's probably the appropriate length of your report.
Thank you, thank you. Okay yeah.
Changing settings to be a few more minutes.
Sorry.
Sir, I just had one last quick question.
sure.
Okay, those are just in case in the final exam we are like taking information from some out outside source do we do you want us to say those websites are those pages.
Yes, so there'll be some. description about what's true. So yes, when you're writing. an essay question.
and
You should be ready to cite some sources, I think.
That makes sense yeah Thank you so much. yeah have a good one, thanks for this amazing semester so.
Welcome
Thank you, thank you okay to say goodbye now.
hello, Professor I just got one question. Sure um so I was just thinking that my blog entry monster not yet there, so I was thinking if everyone has caught the mark, so I was thinking if I got any issues from my side or not.
No, I just I just had to review a couple marks, so all finished today.
Okay number one and so thank you so much, have a great day bye.
Thanks fine.
will be provisioned last last question. In our final exam we have quiz as well as se right.
Now so i'll be keiko.
You have.
There won't be a time three hour part for the exam it will be. an essay question, plus a couple other questions, maybe. And you have from. April 16 of April 19.
Okay sure okay yeah and.
Welcoming your suggestions for questions and answers. A fair assessment during the Semester. Okay.
yeah Thank you.
you're welcome so i'm going to end this meeting and i'll be back in my zoom office tower shorter it's tough to go get a constant so it can be running on all cylinders, for your questions in my office our time okay. bye.

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Professor, can you please us give any advice on how we can study for the Finals? Thank you!
It is a take-home exam that will be available on April 16 @ noon and will be due April 19 @ noon. There should be enough time to prepare and write the exam within that timeframe without having to study a lot in advance.
Will we have 72 hours to work on it? Or will it be any 3 hours between the 72 hour time window??
The exam will become available at April 16 @ noon and you must submit it by April 19 @ noon. So, you have 72 hours to work on it.
If you are wish to study beforehand for the exam, take a look at the topics on the board (they are all things we’ve discussed)
what will be the format of the final? a URCourses quiz? or an essay we have to submit?
I would like to know Fianl project Deliverable information. Can you give me some example or format?
The format of the final is a take-home exam, so there will be some writing questions (a few short ones and a couple of long ones).
also, can you please consider to extend the due date?
meeting code?
at8fsk
Dr. Hepting is still open to suggestions for the type of questions on the exam.
The final must be due at the time it is with no extensions due to University regulations. The due date of the project can be discussed if anyone has concerns.
For the project deliverable, it is directly related to your project proposal. In your project proposal, you would have chosen a topic and a way to present it (the deliverable). This can be a research paper, podcast, video, etc. So, the project deliverable is you putting your proposal into action. I hope that makes sense
Is it possible we can have a day extension for the project deliverable?
two days would be great
that will be great
I'm good with anything.
Ya sure that’s good
sounds good
Two day extension for the project deliverable is given, so it will be due April 13 at 11:59pm
attendance?
at8fsk
The Project Deliverable Rubric has 4 marks for the Completed Plan. If we are writing a research paper, how do we write about "Completed Plan" part? Do we need to include dates and timelines like we did in the proposal? It would be great if you can talk about this.
Can you please provide sample of Project Deliverable?
I'm going to guess - you must select all of the individuals of all of the groups for each marker.
you mean randomly assign the groups?
I think doing something like this is handy and could be extremely useful. However adding too many niche options to something can also end up making it needlessly more complicated due to too many options
could you show us on urcourses how it looks?
why don't use do all the markings in a spreadsheet then upload it later?
Another option would have been - assign all students to one marker then reassign 12 of them to the other marker.
*12 groups
That's the same problem when we have to did all the markings in cs100, the list couldn't be sorted by Lab section. We had to generate a spreadsheet, marked on it, and import the file later
‘We do not want robots out to get us’ - Dr. Hepting
I had a quick question
Thank you everyone for a great semester and good luck on finals!
will we have a quiz as well?
Thank you
Thank you!!
Thank you!
No, just the take home dinal
Thank you
or just writing question?
thank you Dr. Hepting!
Thank you!
Thank you
Thank you !
Thank you Sundus for keep us informed
Can anyone give me passcode?
Thank you Sundus
For attendance?
at8fsk
Thank you soo much for such an amazing semester!!
Thank you for this semester
Thank you !!!
Thank you for a very interesting semester

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The most important thing that I encountered:

Final will be 3 day take-home.
The most important thing that I learned from the lecture today was the details of the Final Exam. The professor went over the date, timeframe, structure, what it would be about, etc.
what i should be expecting for the final project and exam
I think learning about making humane interfaces is something important that I now know more about and will continue to learn about throughout my career
In todays class the professor talked about the final exam as he told all of us that the exam will be posted on 16 April around noon and submission is on 19 noon. Also, the professor extended the due date of the project deliverable also the professor talked about group project which was submitted. I like the lecture very much.
Today we learned about the importance of designing humane websites. We examined the UofR website to look at a common way profs use it (delegating assignments for markers to grade) and just how not user friendly it is for that purpose.
Last day of the class !!! It was a great semester. Today we talked about Final Exams and Final Project Group Marks. Also, Professor explained to us consider joining Canada's Association of Information Technology and Association of Computing Machinery.
Advancing the broader concepts of a profession and professionalism in IT will result in an improved ability for organizations to exploit the full potential of IT effectively and consistently, and a profession that is respected and valued.
The most important thing I learned was more about the final exam and its format. I also appreciate the project being bumped to next Wednesday
I learned the due date for the project deliverable was moved to wednesday April 13.
Today's discussion about the finals was constructive and precise. A slight glance over the critical topic was excellent. Ethics and the impacts of computing were among the most important things I learned this semester.
ethics, final exam information
The most important thing I have learned today is about the details of the final exam, as well as the project deliverable. The professor was kind enough to extend the deadline from 48 hours to 72 hours. It covers up pretty much everything in the topic list. Lastly, the project deliverable is also now due on April 13. They also talked about how they are going to mark the web assessment. Whether it is humane or not.
The topics for final
The most important thing I learned today is that it is our responsibility as computing professionals to make sure our applications are humane. It should not be the responsibility of the user to get used to a bad interface or find work arounds for complicated procedures. As computing professionals, we should make sure we are making humane things from the start.
I found the case study of using the UR courses website to be very interesting. I've done grading for classes as well and I'd thought that there was some easier way to do group projects, but I was quite surprised to see how convoluted the process is!
I like the final exam format and feel it is fair.
Knowing the topics that would be on the final was really helpful and I appreciate the 3 days final availability and asking students what question they would like to add in the final. Thank you for this fun semester.
That to sorted students by groups is quite challenging to do on UR Courses
How many times a user has to click to accomplish a task plays a role in how humane an interface is. The user's experience and productivity with it drops if the user has to click a large amount of times. Proper effort should then be made in the design and testing phases to make the interface as humane as possible.
From this class, I learned a lot about the social context of Computer Science. I learned about data scraping and blockchains that have informed me enough to keep me paranoid about the internet and its risks. This class made me think about what I wanted from my degree and help me think critically. Thank you Dr. Hepting for you lenient and understanding attitude. I hope to see you again!
the most important thing that i learned is that this was a more enjoyable class than i thought it would be. I enjoyed taking this class with everyone and i hope everyone does well in their exams this year.
I learnt a little mire about some useful website resources for computing professionals. I appreciate being given some guides like these on following a computing profession. We also discussed how the uofr courses moodle is designed a little inhumanely. Professor also pointed out how tech is “supposed to augment human abilities.” I really like that way of putting it. Tech is supposed to make life easier, there’s no point of it’s poorly designed and confusing to use.
Most importantly, we discussed about the Final exam and what it entails. We also briefly touched upon Project Deliverable and website assessment assignments. Lastly, professor talked about the humaneness of the UR Courses interface for assigning 12 groups to each of 2 markers. There was a good discussion on this and some students suggested their ideas and solutions in this context.
Today we have discussed about the final exam and a recap to all the topics discussed soo far. Today I have got to know about CIPS and its commitment to advancing the IT profession and is actively engaged in a number of initiatives that directly relate to the advancement.
It was about IT sector and what defines it.There are many definitions of what constitutes a profession. Typically they all refer to a disciplined group of individuals who adhere to high ethical standards and are accepted by the public as possessing special knowledge and skills in a widely recognised, organized body of learning derived from specialized education and training. Inherent in this definition is the idea that the responsibility for the welfare, health and safety of the community takes precedence o
That this final is a take home
From the web assignment I learned that user experience is very important and is very insightful when creating an effective website
In Today's meeting, we have discussed about the Final exam and last project Deliverable things. Later on we have discussed about module/URcourses about how it works and all new things.
We talked about how the final examination for will take place for this class. We also talked about project deliverable assignment. The new due date, and how we should write it; the fomating and content related stuff.
I have learned a lot of things in today’s class but,
The final exam discussion was quite helpful. The possible solutions for the grading pattern for the web assessment was also something to be considered. Always ask a question because it might just work in your favour.
Talked about the final exam topics, due dates and deadline about deliverable. Also talked a lot about human interface
In today's class professor discussed about the final exam as well as gave some hints regarding question will be asked in final exam, also discussed about project deliverable.
Today we talked about the Humane in URcourses design. I am totally agree with Dr Hepting. Sometimes, we try to make thing beauty, instead of being useful. For web design, especially website for students, students parent, staffs, we should make it more intuitive for users
Today we talk about Dr. Hepting will still welcome your suggestions for exam questions + answers by April 14 @ noon (1 week from today).For the project deliverable, it is directly related to your project proposal. In your project proposal, you would have chosen a topic and a way to present it (the deliverable). This can be a research paper, podcast, video, etc. So, the project deliverable is you putting your proposal into action (Sundus)
the details about the final exam.
Today was the last day of the classes! Almost all were present . Final examination was discussed in addition to project deliverable . Questions session was conducted in the last 15 minutes . It was an interesting class.
When designing websites, we need to consider the ease of use for users while also considering every feature that a user may need. For example, making it easy to sort groups in URCourses.
The meeting started with the attendance and after that we discussed on 'what defines profession' and on the topic 'CIPS and the IT profession'. After we talked about ACM membership services. Then we discussed about project deliverable and the date for the project deliverable extended to 13 April by the professor.
groups can be assigned to markers in odd and even group, one get odd groups, one get even groups
The important thing I learned today will be about I.T profession my perspective about I.T profession changed completely I thought it similar to software profession but is different it is different it completely depends on individuals and stick to ethical standards
After today's discussion, I found that the most important thing that I learned was about the IT profession as that is an avenue that I'm interested in pursuing post undergraduate. With my passion in football (soccer), I know that IT football world is developing so I want to be a part of that and learning about this was awesome as it was good insight!
Part of what it means to make an interface more humane is to ensure that there is not an excessive amount of clicking necessary. It is not kind to users to make them have to click on a large amount of boxes, spaces, etc. in order to complete a simple task - like assigning groups to markers.
The most importnt thing I ahve learned today is about the format of the final exam and that we will have 72 hours to finish he exam. We also learned about the CIPS and how to get the certificate as well. We also talked about how the prof will divide the web assesment between himslef and his markers.
Learning about the final examination and knowing what to expect was very helpful.
The final is start on April 16 due on 19th and project proposal due on 13th midnight

The most difficult thing for me to understand:

Today is the last class and it is very hard for me because I will miss it so much!
How there arent more informative classes like this! Makes university enjoyable.
I am still confused about the grades and final exam.

The thing about which I would most like to know more:

The thing which I would like to know more about is the ethic responsibility of a computing professional toward the community.
Since moodle has many grievances, is there a place for professor to give feedback and suggestions? I think some professors would like that because I have another professor who talked about the problem for assigning markers for groups
Today was the last class. We talked about the finals. I would probably like to know about what the format will be for the finals. If there is grading rubric for the take-home essay, it would help a lot of us.
How would one apply accreditation to the computer science profession? Most job offerings work around the need for some type of standardized liscense by having some type of coding exam. This becomes problematic in becoming in arms race. People want to perform well to secure higher paying jobs and websites like Leetcode encorage extensive practice. Those coding problems while utilizing algorithms don't always test day to day skills of software engineering. What testing would best avoid gameification?
We talked about the final exam and the final assignment. The final assignment period has been extended, the project deliverable is you putting your proposal into action
Thank you for the semester professor!!
The thing which I would like to know more about is what will the future of the IT profession look like? A more mature IT profession will be demonstrating the required leadership in advancing and improving the IT delivered products and services through the responsible and progressive application of IT standards.
What material is recommended for studying this course for final exam?

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