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Today

Midterms? Will discuss results on Thursday
Questions for CIPS presenters (including SFIA) on March 21?
Vending machines
Interac e-Transfer messaging abuse
Surveillance Capitalism

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everyone
how's everyone doing today
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can you hear me
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yes we can
so we're at eating 15 today
because anyone knows the
same inlay like a lion like around
March or being like the landlord like the line that seems to work
will see
okay so
morning so midterm
thoughts flow mentor we'll discuss that more towards the
end of the class. I hope to have results ready to talk to you
about on Thursday
so the Kipps presentation is coming up on March 21. I talked
to the executive director yesterday what kinds of things
so, I would invite you to have questions or comments what you'd
like to hear in the blog as well?
Well, let's do it right now.
May maybe let's do it now. Let's see. I'm just gonna add a
discussion topic about this.
Imagine your courses getting an extra workout. These this time
of year was midterms.
I'll come back to that in a minute. Any questions you'd
like? Any thoughts about the Kipps presentation right
now okay,
a seat.
So I've been able to as I mentioned in the email, I think,
get permission to screen the classroom version of the social
dilemma.
So maybe for the for each we'll try to get more details. Soon.
Now still nothing
so I have a couple of news stories to bring up and then
there's a video and then we can discuss
midterm the infographic if you like. So they want to hear the
story about vending machines at University of Waterloo.
Maybe it's my internet connection
add your own will should be fine
see if I switch to my cell phone
Okay, well I won't do it every day but so vending machines had
eyes all over this Ontario campus until students wised up.
So there's a company who had installed cameras in the vending
machines. And what happened was, there was an error message that
popped up on the screen can you see that?
Exception unknown software exception, blah, blah blah
occurred in the application that location blah blah, blah. In
vendor vending facial recognition app dot exe,
application error. So people who were waiting to get some m&ms
for other things
we're being
analyzed
So the company says they're not doing facial recognition they're
not come here to databases of bases on the internet or using
data for
the school furnaces
didn't say they were using facial analysis to understand
the demographics of people who are coming to the vending
machine and what they're ordering
so is that is that a whole new thing?
So, what do you think the issue is here
companies attract when people are bought for a long time, the
difference here is that it's not incentive rewards program and
you tell the tale in grocery store who you are, and then that
reward program they can kind of see what you bought who's
consenting?
What is your name? Was
is there another comment up here?
Yeah, so I get my c plus points or whatever rewards program is
maybe not, maybe not eating.
Anyway, I think he's just saying in that, in that scenario, you
sign up for the rewards program. So you've given them your
demographics, your age, gender, and so they can build their
their data based off of that, but with these vending machines,
like it's just pulling data without anybody giving it to
them conceptually Yeah.
That
is an important distinction.
So because giving your consent to have your data taken is
essentially consenting to your privacy. You're getting that
information. It's not a privacy violation.
I'm not saying that isn't an important distinction, but I'm
wondering from practice
what the difference is. When we think about rewards program
assessing the privacy policy,
merely existing near the vending machines, profit data, that you
aren't even giving away you're just standing there Yeah.
So there's a story in
this chapter three, I think about target states
there was a case of teenage girl who was buying certain things at
Target and we analyze the data and guess that she was pregnant.
She had told her family about it.
So that was not the way that she wanted. To break the news.
Because we are sending for
coupons to expectant mothers. When this became an issue with
parents going to the store
and the idea was the parent wasn't wasn't upset that they
had profiled
her daughter
that I wouldn't be.
So then machines is about the data that
neither gain
nor is it about video being recorded
like there should be no when you're being recorded.
So is it
this is different than being
in the more general public place and having video cameras around.
I don't believe the university is public property.
As like according to
what I'm trying to say like you could openly have a camera and
the university as far as I'm aware, I think I don't think I'd
be public property. Here.
But it says you may be recorded. So at least from people.
Says only during the exam periods,
university if I can just take on the camera and the University of
Regina and be legally allowed to record. I could however, like go
to the last counterpart because that's a public property where
photographing video at tents allow my so this company would
have to have like a legal agreement with the University to
allow these cameras to to you know
question uses investigating. I invite everyone to also do some
investigating to come back with some.
So the other news item I want to mention
was an item about abusers using Interact e transfer to contact
victims and thereby skirt restraining orders and more
contact orders so add some details and there's a warning
just little pictures. So I don't want to get into details.
But I want him to raise the issues.
So the story talks about action Australia realizing this was a
problem a few years ago that they
undertook to be proactive in
stopping these messages from going through
and one of the banks has even made their
their software and their models available to others. But in
Canada, it's up to the person receiving the text messages to
make a complaint. So this leads I think in relation to the
online harms stack. Build a system introduce and this is
indicated as an area that's missed by that will.
Help so what what are the pros and cons of having these
interact? Correctness reading
messages
Yeah, they could just make this like, because there's no way
that someone could like, feasibly have a person there to
screen every single interview transcript so they're using
like, some kind of thought to do it. And so who's to say they're
not just going to block random? Like the transmitters that since
there's money involved are inherently going to be of some
importance. Just because they're bought says, oh, no, this is a
bad message. You must be doing something bad. And then from
reporting that factory walks the train transfer. Money that
message is like something like message is like I use the
transferred a payment of rent and I need to have like my
address with lost the message at all
But occasionally, something's like a false positive. All of a
sudden my rent payments
yeah so so one of the cases mentioned here first was
transferring and at the time. So unless you have a really good
deal for when
the pending transfers when they fly that amount your rent
payment be safe
so I haven't seen that plus should be not burdening the
recipient.
So we were talking yesterday about
design for the most vulnerable population. So this qualifies as
a case where we could do more to protect the most vulnerable.
So let me show a video that talks a bit about some of these
issues. See surveillance capitalism has anyone heard that
term before? Anyone?
Okay, well I guess that's good and bad.
Okay, what is surveillance capitalism? It rests on the
Discovery. That private human experience was to be the last
virgin wood
available for extraction. Production,
commodification and sales people. That means we did become
a chatbot. For comments read aloud is exactly what happened.
And the results are shaking democracy to its core they're
transforming our daily lives. They're Ciao challenging the
social contracts that we've inherited from the enlightenment
and indeed threatening the very viability of human freedom.
Justice was predicted. Under Siege, though it may be. The
only possible remedy for all of this is democracy. And that's
why we're here tonight, of course. So I think about it this
way. I know that you know, the story of Alice in Wonderland.
Yes. Everybody has a story of Alice in Wonderland. And you
remember the white rabbit who had the clock and he was
rushing? And I'm reading plays a very important day and then he
goes down the rabbit hole was aware as he's about it is two
decades ago. We were all Alice and we encountered the White
Rabbit and he was rushing down his hole. And just like Alice,
we rushed after him. We follow the White Rabbit into wonder
what happened in Wonderland in Wonderland. There are various
things that we learned and it took us two decades to learn
that okay. First of all, we learned that we can search
Google, we search Google. But now two decades later, there is
a fragile new awareness domain. And it's occurring to us that
it's not so much that we search Google instead Google searches
in Wonderland, we assume that we use social media but now we've
begun to understand that social media uses us. We thought that
these are great free services. While these companies were
thinking these are great people who are free, free raw material
for our new operations of analysis, production and sales.
We barely questioned why our television sets or our
mattresses came with privacy policies. But now, we're
beginning to understand that privacy policies are actually
surveillance policy. We admired the tech giants as innovative
companies. But now is a bit of companies by the way, who
occasionally made some big mistakes, and those mistakes
violate our privacy. The difference now is that we're
beginning to understand that those mistakes actually are the
innovations. Those mistakes are the innovations. In Wonderland,
we learn to believe that privacy is private we fail to reckon
with the profound distinction between a society that cherishes
principles of individual sovereignty, and one that lives
by the social relations of the one way mirror. Privacy is not
private. Privacy is a collective action problem. Privacy is a
political challenge. Privacy is about the kind of society that
we live in. Finally, our most dangerous illusion of all in
Wonderland. We believe that the internet offer unprecedented
access to proprietary knowledge. But in the harsh glare of
surveillance capitalism, we have come to learn that for pot from
primary knowledge, now has unprecedented access to us.
Surveillance, capitalists, self certainty. So they're competing
on their predictions. So let's reverse engineer these
competitive dynamics and see what we're saying. Well, number
one, everybody knows an AI needs a lot of data, right? Everybody
knows that. So the first thing is economies of scale, drives
them toward totalities with information, we need to we need
data at scale. Okay? That's an easy one. Competing on scale is
good, but not good enough. Because eventually they realize,
hey, you know what, we need a lot of data but we also need
varieties of data. Now we know that we need economies of scale.
But we all see variety. So we need economies of scope,
different kinds of data. Now, even though you're not old
enough to remember the.com loss, many of you are old enough to
remember the mobility revolution. Right? So this is
the idea that, well, you have a little computer and you put it
in your pocket and you've got well, well we'll kind of funny
what the heck and it will go everywhere with you. And now we
can get economies of scope, like where you are and what you're
talking about who you're with, and what transactions you're
making and maybe where you're eating, what you're eating and
who you're emailing or texting or what kind of browsing you're
doing while you're walking in the park or walking through the
city. We can get your voice, we can get all kinds of things now.
Oh, and don't forget what's the most important thing of all that
we can get with this new computer? Get your face. We're
gonna get all your faces. Okay. So we've got economies of scale
and economies of scope. Prediction continues to evolve
and competition continues to intensify and pretty soon
there's a new realization. The most predictive data comes from
intervening. Intervening, excuse me in your behavior, intervening
in your behavior, intervening in the state of play, in order to
actually nudge close to herd your behavior in the direction
of the outcomes that we are guaranteeing for our business
customers. hurting your behavior in the direction of our revenues
and ultimately our process. Okay? Because what is new here
is that at no other time in history, have the wealthiest
private corporations have at their disposal? A pervasive
global architecture of ubiquitous computation, able to
announce on parallel concentrations of information
about individuals, groups and populations, sufficient to
robots the pivot from the monitoring to the actuation of
behavior remotely? And at scale? This, my friends, is
unprecedented. What is this new power? It works its will through
the medium of digital instrumentation is not sending
anybody to our homes at night to take us to the Gulag or they
can't. It's not threatening us with murder or terror. It is not
totalitarian power. But it is a new and unprecedented form of
power just as totalitarian totalitarianism. totalitarianism
presented itself as a new and unprecedented power in the 20th
century. This new power is what I call instrumentarium power. It
works its well remotely. It comes to us secretly, quietly.
And if we ever know it's there, they might actually greet us
with a cappuccino and a smile. Nevertheless, it represents a
global means of behavioral modification, and is the engine
of growth for surveillance capitalism.
Okay, so here we are. We've now climbed a mountain. We've
climbed the mountain of the division of learning. And we
peeked inside the fortress into the AI hall into these backstage
operations. And what have we said? A friend to your operation
run by geniuses, funded by immense amounts of kappa are
they solving the climate crisis? Are they curing cancers? Are
they super now how to get rid of all those plastic particles that
now even are detectable in the Arctic snow? No, they're not
doing any of that. Instead, all of that genius and all of that
capital is dedicated to knowing everything about us and pivoting
that knowledge to the remote control
people for profit.
This is how the age of surveillance capitalism becomes
an Age of Conquest. So, you know, we're meant to sleepwalk
through all of this. We're meant to be ignorant. This is
engineered for our aprons. Mark Zuckerberg says privacy is the
future, very confusing. So now we're living in a time when we
understand that privacy is a collective action problem. And
we have to look now to only one source for remedies here. And
that source is democracy. That is law. And that means new
regulatory paradigms. And when we're talking with Toby, we'll
be getting into more details on this. But I want to call your
attention to at least two things that I think are immediately
important. And once we start talking about them, and begin to
get used to them a little bit in our imaginations, they won't
sign as strange as they might sound when I say them right now.
The key thing that confronts us here is to interrupt the
incentives for the surveillance data. We essentially need to
outlaw the surveillance dividend. Once we do that, we
open up the competitive space for the 1000s and hundreds of
1000s And indeed, millions of young people, entrepreneurs,
companies, who want to produce digital products and services
that will address climate that will address our real needs that
will cure the cancers that plague us that will do all of
the things that we want to be expected from the digital. But
they will be able to do them without having to compete on the
surveillance data. That's what we need. So, two things I want
to suggest. One is that we interrupt supply and the other
is that we interrupt demand by interrupting supply. I mean,
that the illegitimate secret unilateral taking of human
experience for translation into data should be illegal.
The surveillance capitalists have fought this fight that
you've heard about in 1997 and continues literally every day.
They are sought for the right to take our faces, whenever and
wherever they want to. They take our faces on the street. They
take our faces in the park. They take our faces when and wherever
they want to our faces built into their facial recognition
systems, facial recognition systems training data sets, data
sets, we now find out often sold to military operations military
divisions, including those military operations that are
imprisoning members of the Uighur minority in central China
and open our prison where the only walls are faithful and
finishing systems. That's what I mean by the way, privacy is not
private. Okay, so we interrupt supply. The next thing that we
can do is interrupt demand. And that means we eliminate the
incentives to sell predictions of human behavior. How do we do
that? We make markets that trade new and futures illegal. Other
markets are illegal. Market situated human origins are
illegal. Why? Because they have predictably destructive
consequences for people and for democracy. markets and trade in
human slaves are illegal because they have predictably disruptive
consequences. Market situated and human babies are illegal
because they have predictably disruptive consequences markets
that trade human futures should be illegal. Because first they
are the enemies of human autonomy. Because their
competitive dynamics require economies of action, for which
human agency is the enemy. And second, because they inevitably
produce the extreme asymmetries of knowledge and the power that
accrues to knowledge. The Kree epistemic inequality, and
epistemic injustice. Surveillance capitalists are
rich and powerful that they are not invulnerable. They have an
Achilles heel, do you know what that is? They fear law. They see
lawmakers who are not confused in and intimidated but
ultimately
they fear citizens who are ready to demand a digital future that
we can call home thank you
swear Do you think
some people are empowered and they want to get up and start on
actions right away
so this is a time of class that's good
man questions
see, I said that because of the dedicated team and I want to
reward the dedicated people
dedicated people want to be rewarded.
I heard one yes anyway
that was too much
Yeah.
I thought about making it illegal in the way that we made
like the slave trade illegal.
So surveillance capitalism that's what's behind your
camera.
In the vending machine.
I'm not sure from puts the error messages maybe it's somebody
working against capitalism.
Clinically
food for thought whether people were exposing things in
engineer, the scientist who was forced to build the Deathstar
that he worked to put a backdoor in a way of vulnerability
so that could be destroyed.
sidewalker in the Force? Maybe this is an example of
exposing the thing that's supposed to be invisible.
So when she talks about integration mistakes being the
innovations
so are these mistakes? Can we also think about them as
examples of dark patterns? That over work so. Oh, gee, I'm
sorry. I didn't do that very well. Why I was saying
Could that be like a Trojan horse perhaps.
So I wanted to talk about the midterm for a bit
Smartphones. This was supposed to be an R and then a V. Kinda
looks like a WD. Observation observations
so the exam is too short.
The first version finishes No.
So I'm thinking file will be.
But one sinking around 1.4 minutes per question.
So not everyone is an English as English as a first language.
So having the sign out sheets broken down by the first letter
of the last name
cause problems
so last was
54 pages long
was also an issue. So
the signup process could have been done differently.
Maybe the signup could have been at the back. Exams could have
been collected by the TAs as people were finished.
Yes. What if instead of having to search through the list of
names and faces for the mentor? It's just like a sign up sheet.
Write your name student number. Search through a whole list of
students
yes that's possibility.
I would say it's even just enough to get to the student
numbers. So and that's only as a way to prove people say I wrote
the midterm. I wrote the exam.
And I can go through the list to see whether or not they've
written the student number on the list.
That's one possibility.
So the reason I'm bringing this up
is we're discussing about surveillance capitalism is about
to have a barcode scanner for your student ID card. or
less the cuts of biometrics. Prove that you are here and
you're who you say you were. And you're not a ringer completing
the exam for somebody else. Who likes that idea? Nobody is that
a real goal? Or is it I'm not matter what you say? You're
leveraging silence in class right? Now.
Well, computer science students are not the most interactive
classes. So yes, I'm really good at profiling there. I suppose.
So are your thoughts about this? Really. So the idea
for invigilator says check the ID some people aren't the desks
but the exams were too short. And the start times are sad. So
some people finish quite quickly after other people started
Yeah, could you check IDs before somebody has given the exam?
Like everybody sign in instead of signing out? And that way
everybody when they're done their exam can just give the
exam and go.
Also, maybe be better to just have someone like at the back
when we come into the room because then we check our idea
and don't have to worry about it. Everybody in the room has
already had their IV check. Just go to balancer exam bouncer
so you saw the lineup start
the lineup before the class is better than having to wait for
20 minutes after you're done your exam especially since I had
a midterm the same like the next class after that. So if I had to
wait, that would have not been very good. I would have missed
part of my midterm sort of thing. So to wait before I think
it's better than waiting after. If you have to wait any time
Yeah.
That's a good suggestion.
Is this in the Bible? The Bible exam? Is
it the same?
Yes.
We can talk about this because there's there's some variation
that we can talk
about not sure if
the intent is that would be the same kind of setup as the exam
the final exam is going to be in the gym
so I didn't come to class and thinking that it was gonna be a
walk in the park
with the midterms.
So I didn't I was not trying to be frivolous in the way that I
set things up.
But lots of things have changed. In the past few months even I
suppose.
So I appreciate your feedback, your comments and suggestions
and maybe this will help to streamline things in the future.
The way you think about the barcode idea really
just like the gym has a barcode scanner that's on your face and
students stuff on it.
In the gym for exams, or why
No, no like the actual fitness center running track, their
barcode scanner, you scan it that they kind of just look at
you and make sure that you're in the person walking
in the business
Yeah, so I think those are good ideas that may be practical in
the not too distant future. Maybe we can write midterms in
the gym teacher as well. Because I think this is classic Twitter
96 So 260 296 There's not a lot of spare space. So, going into
desks and checking ID is not really practical. We have
barcode scanners, Fitness and Lifestyle Center.
Solution
a gymnasium. My job was put off in aisles and check to remember
it'll be easier in the gym compared to make sense out of
the water bottles. Yeah.
That's why we're going to have the gems at all possible
so I guess on see the calendar there was a sign about it sounds
that would be see what
they didn't have my Chroma sorry people in the back row. I turned
it off.
So I apologize. Those diligent students who were put in an
environment that was not conducive for them, for you
to demonstrate your knowledge and your engagement with the
prosecutorial environment. So people who are not the number of
people who are not being respectful of others. Some are
not being honest across the room. So I apologize that I
recognize that some or many of you had a bad experience with
the exam. That wasn't my intention. I will endeavor to
make the final exam more positive as much as the final
exam to retailers experience.
So anything anyone like to say? Baldness
Yeah. It was pretty long.
Yeah, okay. You might have been the first person to start as
well.
I'm not trying to finish. I'm not saying you have to have so
many people who are here at the very end
you're looking for the question. Mark sight sounds too short
question.
few more minutes. Yet over Oh, no, I'm still two minutes short.
So this episode of the Euro divided attention podcast about
future proofing democracy. So let's get back in the habit of
the sauce and presents. It seems like you've ever done that.
Again. There was no there was nothing there was no question.
Thought it would be nice
anyway.
Right
Right

Responses

What important concept or perspective did you encounter today?

Information capitalism is something socialist academics fear
I learnt about the privacy issue related to social media.
The concept of surveilance capitalism.
Some examples and characteristics of Sustainability
everything discussed today
Anything can be used to track us like vending machines being used to track customers. Companies will do just about everything and any thing in order for them to gather necessary data for their business. Customers must stay aware and alert at all times
the news article about the vending machines and the video about surveillance capitalism
I never knew that e-transfer can be used as a tool for abusers to contact their victims. Definitely learned something new today.
Interac e-Transfer messaging abuse
I encountered new things about interac-e-transfer
Today we learned about surveillance capitalism and how it can put camera in vending machines, like the case that took place at the University of Waterloo.
An important concept or perspective I've encountered today was surveillance capitalism and how big coperations collect that information for personal gain
About Vendin machines, e-Transfer, and CIPS and SFIA
Today we talked about CIPS presentation on March 21
Everything
Surveillance Capitalism
Surveillance Capitalism
no
That vending machine can steal the persons age and gender
We discussed about midterms, CIPS presenters, messaging abuse, etc
companies use personal data to predict and influence human behavior, effectively shaping our choices and preferences without our consent. She warns that this manipulation of information poses a significant threat to democracy and individual autonomy.
I learned further about surveillance capitalism through the example of the vending machine article where companies such as Invenda, could potentially be using our personal data (facial recognition, age, product selection) to elevate their sales and overall service.
The important topic which we learned today was about sustanibility
Abusing of interac
What I thought was interesting was how the video we watched in class today suggested that we make the trade of human intelligence illegal in the sane way trading slaves is illegal. While I do think comparing data to slavery is a bit of a stretch, I can definitely see regulations put on surveillance that would help protect people's data and ensure that if there data is being collected, it is being handled with care.
Tech being created for helpful purposes are not always used positively. In case of the e-transfer, messaging happened to be available tool. However, I do not understand why banks need messaging blocks. If needed, any other information can be easily conveyed through other means. There should also be a minimum requirement for how much money can be sent through. No restriction is the reason people can get away anything they deem okay. New tech should arise negative impacts as well.
vending machines
Surveillance Capitalism is a market which poses the same risks to humans as the slave market, organ trade, and we should consider making it an illegal market as such.
We talked about the CBC news article.
I thought it was interesting the way that etransers are used to send messages, I never thought about how it could be used in an abusive way. I do agree with some of the potential solutions presented in class, such as having a list of preseleted questions or having a minimum amount required to have a message.
The podcast we watch
Nothing
we discussed more about the risk portion of risk and reward
Data Protection
Today, I encountered the concept of e-transfer abuse, which involves fraudulent activities related to electronic money transfers. This issue highlights the importance of cybersecurity and vigilance when conducting online transactions
E transfer abuse
How even e-tranfers can be used as a tool for abuse and violence
That people dont care if thaey are being watched only what is done or taken advantage of with that data and they want to know when they are being watched especially if it is a place of assumed privacy.
One important perspective I encountered today was the fact that some of these blue chip companies will be taking away people’s futures if we choose to do nothing about it and don’t put any laws in place. It puts humanity’s future at risk which I totally agree with and like some of more extreme points the speaker made, I believe that with the new technology emerging that it can be just as bad for humanity. I realized something has to be done to protect human autonomy.
not really
people reaction to privacy
the question whether the "mistakes" are examples of dark pattern
learnt how some vending machine takes our data as indetfication
surveillance capitalism
About ted talk
news
Surveillance Capitalism
The idea that the vending machines were tracking the race and gender of their customers.
I learned about technology abuse and how e-transfers are a new way of doing it
Surveillance Capitalism was a topic we covered today and relates to a story we went over about vending machines having cameras. I think anything that has a camera or recording software should have a warning in advance to prepare the user.
Vending machines had eyes all over this Ontario campus — until the students wised up
Surveillance capitalism
Today we encountered the unique perspective of vending machines. Some of them had facial recognition software that was spying on students at the University of Waterloo.
Should E-transfer allow messaging? I think there should just be an integrated feature to allow messages to be sent along with e-transfers to you or not via a toggle in the settings.
I learned that cameras are everywhere and we don’t have as much privacy as we thought
We went over the commercialization of peoples faces and info. This was covered in a video and with discussion of a news article about cameras in vending machines.
Surveillance Capitalism
That midterm are gonna discuss on Thursday, the cips presenters
Surveillance Capitalism
Todays class
E transfer
About vending machine and threats on interac E transfers
There is nothing important I encountered today.
Discussion on various topics by teacher after midterm.
about the risk and rewards of AAI
Today was a really interesting class where we learned about surveillance capitalism and about University of Waterloo's vending machine.
Today, we discussed the midterm, and how we can improve the experience for ourselves in the final exam. We also talked about the vending machine and the University of Waterloo, that had a facial recognition software installed. During class we also talked about Interac e transfer abuse, and how people use it to harass others. We talked about surveillance capitalism in today’s class.
An important concept from today is the idea and situation with Surveillance Capitalism. Today we watched a video about Shoshana Zuboff speaking about the dangers of Surveillance Capitalism, and how it can erode free will, critical thinking, and autonomy within our society. She speaks about this growing issue within large corporations and how it affects us.
We talked about different case study like on vending machine in waterloo and watched a video on privacy
cips presentation
An important concept I have encountered is the idea of surveillance capitalism. Privacy is not private. Privacy is a political challenge.
Surveillance Capitalism is a very important concept that has provided me with plenty of food for thought.
Survelliance capitalism, news regarding vending machines
Saw video
the important concept was Interac e-Transfer that i encounter.
I learned about e-transfer abuse .
Podcast
Surveillance capitalism
Today's meeting revolved around the idea of surveillance capitalism, possible new methods of dark patterns (the innovation's "mistakes"), and the distribution of responsibility (Interac incident). We also discussed some observations about the midterm and what we can do to improve for the final (ex. exam bouncer).
General knowledge
Good
Surveillance Capitalism
No
News(administration)
cips presenters coming
That there is no privacy in public no matter what, stemming from the concept of cameras in vending machines at the University of Waterloo
We watched a video about surveillance capitalism and democracy
Today we watched a video in class.
The vending machine article was interesting for me
Life is like Ice-cream eat it before it melts
the idea of privacy from facial recognition software in public and its prevalence in civil rights debates.
Today we talked about vending machines that have face analysis in them at UWaterloo. How it pushes the boundaries of privacy because there were no markings nor signs that claim there were cameras recording. Another thing we encountered today was people abusing the functions of e-transfer by sending pennies to convey inappropriate and harmful messages towards others. In Canada there is no law on inappropriate messages through e-transfer unlike in Australia where any inapproriate message will be blocked..
Surveillance Capitalism
An important concept which we went over was the fact that big tech could change society and ruin privacy for us humans
The convergence of these topics underscores the broader societal implications of technology, particularly in terms of privacy, ethical use, and corporate responsibility. Addressing these issues requires collective action, informed by critical reflection and an understanding of the complex interplay between technology, commerce, and democracy.
The importance of knowing about surveillance and how it can be used to collect information without public knowledge
The video and Online Harms Bill
Survellence capitalism is one of the important concepts I have encountered today.
Surveillance Capitalism, tracking users data without their consent to either sell to corporations or to herd users to their streams of revenue
I learned about vending machines, e transfer messaging abuse etc
vending machines and Interac e-Transfer messaging abuse
Today’s lecture was very interesting….
News(Administration)
The concept of markets that trade on human behavior and personal information.
I get to know that even with e transfer someone can commit a crime also about the privacy.
Surveillance Capitalism
we discussed about post midterms and how to carry out final exam
social dilemma
We learned about surveillance capitalism and the with new developing technologies, companies are able to take and use peoples faces as faceprints without them knowing.
I learnt a little more about privacy and dark patterns
nothing
reviews for midterm
An important concept that I learned today was the Surveillance or Privacy Policy does more that just 'survey' or 'protect' one's privacy. It immediately welcomes the agreement of not knowing what data is being collected whether its consensual (you fully know what's being shared) or not.
Surveillance capitalism, how big companies want to profit from people privacy
The importance of having ways to detect AI.
The cameras hidden in the Vending machines at Waterloo.
Surveillence Capitalism
Surveillance capitalism
Privacy based on computing or humans
Surveillance Capitalism
Social media
The important topic which we learned today was about sustainability and he covered the topic in depth
Surveillance Capitalism
I learned that things you might not suspect could be collecting your data, such as vending machines
Way simple machines are used for invading people's privacy
I learned about how the University of Waterloo had vending machines removed from their campus after students noticed that they were being recorded.
An important concept I encountered today was the idea of surveillance capitalism. Unbeknownst to our knowledge and use of certain technologies, many companies often install cameras and spyware with the intention of collecting our data for profit. Such technologies are a breach of privacy and is ultimately unethical for the digital future.
The incident that happened in waterloo of a vending machine recording and identifying people.
abusers using interac to contact their victims
The perspective of "mistakes" being examples of dark patterns.
watched a video on Surveillance Capitalism
How companies take out information without our consent .
About the privacy

Was there anything today that was difficult to understand?

No
No, the the lecture was informative.
nope
no
nope, everything is good
Nope every topic discussed was clear and comprehensible.
Nothing was too difficult
Nothing. Everything was well understood.
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no
No.
Nothing of particular difficulty that we went over.
no
Nothing so far
Not really
No
How can mistakes be the innovation
no
Everything was understandable
No
I understand the concept of surveillance capitalism and its implications fairly well, but there are always new nuances and developments in the field that may require further exploration or clarification.
No it was easy to understand
No
Some of the wording in the captain surveillance video was convoluted with jargon. But overall I understood that capital surveillance preys on our ignorance and compliance and must be addressed legally.
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nothing
Not particularly
N/a
no
not particularly
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No
No, not really
No.
no
not really for today
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was trying hard to figure out a way for data protection
no
No
no
none
No
Nothing was difficult to understand today
Who is responsible for stopping them?
no
It was loud and clear today other than one time near the end of class.
Nothing was difficult to understand
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No
NO
No
No
No, everything was clear
There was nothing difficult to understand.
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NO
No
No. There was nothing difficult. Everything was straightforward and made sense.
Nothing today was too difficult to understand.
Nothing
nahh
Nothing today was difficult to understand.
No
No
Nothing
no . everything was clear.
No
No, today was quite straightforward.
Nope
No
No
No
Not really
no
The youtube video wasn't fully clear
No there was none
Nope.
Nothing much
no
What were the specific reasons that the facial recognition software on the vending machine caused such an uproar among the students
n/a
No
Nothing
I all understood the materials today.
The class was understood well
More details on infographics
Survellence capitalism was difficult to understand.
Id love more information on the assingment due on monday, but also about why privacy is so important? I mean they track us and all but its not like its being used maliciously, just being sold for advertisemnt.
Not much
I don’t think there was anything difficult to understand .
nope everything was good
I don’t think so
no
No I understood everything.
not really.
nope everything was good
surveillance capitalism
No I thought everything was clear.
Nothing at all
nope
no
N/A
No
no
No
No
No
No
No
There was no difficulty to understand as the professor explained it in an easy pattern
how do they do this?
Everything was smooth
No, there wasn't anything difficult covered in today's class.
Nope, I understood everything that happened in class today.
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no
No.
no
No.
Not really

Was there anything today about which you would like to know more?

I'd like to know more about the goals that can be achieved via a market of information.
I would like to know more about how private and public properties are perceived through the eyes of security analysts.
I would like to know more insight into surveilance capitalism
Some more examples and features and details of Sustainability
more topics
What kind of penalties do companies get when they are proven to be violating customers/peoples privacy? what who are in charge of keeping them in check or monitoring these company?
As of right now, no
I am wondering if there are other apps that can be exploited by abusers, if so, how we can prevent those?
no
no
i would like to know more about how much of our privacy we give away when we give consent to things such as rewards at stores and places
Surveillance capitalism and how we can block it out/ how to play 4d chess and how to be ahead of it.
no
No.
Group work
No
Even after learning about surveillance capitalism I feel it is a bit challenging to identify how some new manipulation technique could again be formed by the tech companies to trick us into believing that. I would like to know more about how to identify any new techniques created by those companies.
What the error message indicates
no
E-transfer message abuse
No
I'm always eager to learn more about the latest developments in technology, science, culture, and beyond. I
no all the topics were covered perfectly
Surveillance
No
nothing
Not particularly
N/ a
no
more about the prevention of risk
What are some good practices and guidelines around leaving a digital footprint?
I would like to know more on how to be safe on the etransfer abuse
Yes. I want to know more about surveillance capitalism
No, I understood quite well
Would society colapse if we decide to remove companies ability to use our data and how many things use our data withput our knowledge.
no
I would like to know more about why the companies were putting video cameras inside vending machines and who they were giving this data to.
more about the video that was played at the class
Responsibility of Interact and whether its too restrictive or not
more on the topic in details
no
No
no
none
No
I would like to know more about surveillance capitalism
Who is responsible for stopping them?
I would like to know more about how people are affected by stalkers / exes, and how this will develop in the future. The example shown was the use of etransfer to harras others.
how we can pass legislation to limit surveillance capitalism
Some of the specific details about the software used in the vending machine article.
I think the professor was struggling to understand the student’s points in class about the vending machine cameras. It’s more of a discussion about KNOWING and CONSENTING, not about the fact that it collects data.
I will like to know more about what Surveillance Capitalism is all about
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NO
No
No
Maybe if we there was a more clear way to analyze the sources
I would like to know more about midterm grades.
No
no
Everything was pretty much direct and easy to understand.
I would like to learn more about the surveillance camera and footage at the University of Regina.
Would possibly look into some of the things mentioned today such as the camera vending machines or e-transfer abuse in detail.
Nothing
I think it would be interesting to know more about the Waterloo vending machine incident.
No
No
Nothing
I want to know more about e-transfer abuse.
No
I am excited for whatever this class brings!
Nope
No
Surveillance
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No
maybe next meeting i will have
More about possible dangers in public
No
Not from today.
I will make sure to research about Surveillance Capitalism
no
Would there be any way for people to oppose the use of facial recognition in catching criminals and in police work if the only people targeted were criminals.
I would like to know more about laws surrounding technology that others countries have that we do not. Like e-transfers in Australia compared to Canada (that we learned today)
Surveillance Capitalism
I’d like to learn more on how possible it would be for data collection to become illegal
No, there was not.
I felt satisfied with what I had learned
Infographics. Please can you discuss it more in details in next class before the assignment submission.
I would like to know about Survellence capitalism because I could not understand in detail.
How do government and militaries use our data to breach laws of privacy and human rights
I would like to know more about e transfer messaging abuse.
i would like to know more about Interac e-Transfer messaging abuse
Nope the knowledge given by professors was sufficient..
no
Would like to hear steelman arguments against what Shoshana Zuboff said in her talk to better understand the topic.
How to protect our privacy from such AI.
nope
none
Learning more about faceprints and it going into server databases would be an interesting topic to learn about.
I will like to know more about the social dilemma
no
no
I would love to know more about the actions being done to protect people's privacies and if anything is actually in the course of action right now.
No
no
Unnecessary data collection
No
No
Not particularly
No
no all the topics were covered to the point
What other things might be collecting our data without us realizing?
how can we trace e-transfer abuse source and try to cope them.
I would like to know more about the details of our next assignment.
I would like to learn more about surveillance capitalism and its implications for the future. I am interested in seeing more examples in which these incidents occur, and what we can do as informed users to combat this.
No
abusers using interac to contact their victims
No.
no
What legal actions can be taken regarding such actions.
more clear examples

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