Mtg 21/26: Tue-26-Mar-2024

Outline for Today

Economies of Computing

Administration

Response to Responses

CIPS presentation: is it clear the mission of CIPS and what they do?
Neuralink was popular
Assignment (Part 2 of skills assessment due at the end of the day: Questions?

Today

Assignment due by the end of the day:
- some people have had problems with their login to the planner. You should be logging in at https://cips.skillstx.app/login with your CIPS credentials (same as for membee.com)
- Some of you have reported problems generating a pdf of your Action Plan/List because you don’t see a print button in the ‘Manage your Action Plan’ section to the right of the ‘+ New Action’ button. If you don’t see this print button, please send me a screen capture along with your browser name and version. If you don’t have a print button, please create a document from the screen captures of the Action Plan/List screen.
- Any other questions?
In the news:
The economies of computing are important to those who develop and provide computing resources and services to others as well as society in general. They are equally important to users of these resources and services, both professional and non-professional.

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Audio Transcript

Okay, so from the responses
I have a range of comments and any thoughts like to share
worthwhile assignments Naish?
Sorry, I missed
a question and
the answer is no the assignment I had to talk to
you okay today it was worthwhile,
I felt it was worthwhile I thought it gave me a good idea
of where I need to go as an IT professional and gain the skills
that I need for my jobs
common soldier response by the low side
I don't know how I felt a lot of issues really apply for where
I'm at and I just didn't understand what it was asking
for you have any specifics Okay, well, I appreciate your
opinions. And that's certainly welcomed. So from the hips.
Yeah. I have to go there was really good smile, but I think
the thing is, is that there's a lot of students that may be
secondary, like, third first semester that might not have an
exact skill set to help those steps and so they're all kind of
just saying no to everything. So it's kind of like, where they
don't really they can't really decide what steps is actually
trying to help. So I think it's just like, it's good. If you're
later in reverse, and you know which direction you're wanting
to go to some help you improve the skills that you want those
specifics, but if you don't really know where you're going,
I can't really help you decide because there's too many
options. Okay.
So there's some references for this class. So it shouldn't
shouldn't be as close to be their second semester, taking
this class taking one can and some
English English is not necessarily giving you a lot of
skills assessment so that's a valid point.
Okay, I appreciate the comments
so is the mission and purpose of Kipps? Clear?
Okay, that's good to know. So the neurally article was popular
so I won
there's another link here inside
some of its some of nerlynx animal testing practices have
been subject to federal investigation. And that kind of
relates to our topic today about economies of computing
so there's maybe typical quote pressure from neuro link founder
Elon Musk to accelerate development it has led to faulty
experiments and hence higher death rates. Need to Be.
Musk has a quarantine to tell you slay since the company was
launched in 2016. To imagine they had a bomb strapped to
their heads in an effort to make her move faster. So is that the
model of an ethical employer?
Many would like to work for Elon Musk with the bomb strapped to
your head
anyway, I thought I thought I'd highlight that for you. Okay,
assignment. Part two skills assessment is due at the end of
the day today. Any questions about it? So in particular, I
had someone ask about a month asked me again, the login
problems and some people came to see me yesterday asking about
login problems. So for those who haven't finished it says the
logins and campstove skills tx.af/login.
And I am logged in already so let me log out and log in again.
Okay, so this is the login page. So you don't click Login. You
click login with Kipps.
So when you're Kipps login is the same as men be dark com
that's where you log in for your Kipps membership.
Okay so the other thing Some people mentioned that when
you're doing the action plan
manage your action plan. Some of you see show all add new action.
But you don't have a print button on that line.
Who has who sees a screen like this with a print button Okay,
that's good but some of you don't. So the people if you
don't see the credit button at the end of the line right most
part of the line beside manage your action plan. Can you send
me a screenshot and then you know which browser you're using
a version of the browser so you can report it to the developers?
Any other questions?
Yeah. So people who are not able to practice what would we submit
that as our assignment submission? Oh yeah. screenshots
of what
is available there on that page
or Yes, should
we attempt to use a different browser to get a print off
a proper report?
You can try to take browsers but it's also acceptable to make do
the screen captures
so I did that here. If you don't have a print button, please
create a document from the screen captures of the action
plan slash List screen
so I think I have some actions here are hidden
so these are examples of actions that are have been created to
address my hypothetical, the skills gaps for the requirements
Okay.
Anything else any comments about Kipps presentation or or the
assignment
Okay?
I'm sorry if I'm breaking that news to you here
so this was
the first result and when I look for Kate Middleton news so, the
conversation says it has academic rigor and journalistic
flair.
So I didn't deal I didn't do a lot of investigating why shared
that link with you so I'm guilty
guilty of spreading increasing
leads to get into this website because I've created to share
the link with you.
So I wanted to mention another other use is you lost a.
Canadians are less happy
so how much do you think social media issues were social role to
play I
think a lot of Canadians under 30 seconds or less are probably
the majority of the population on social media
Okay, so the question is.
So does it make people unhappy or is this vibe here to society?
Are you happier after you finish installing for
us another article recently about smartphones making us more
anxious more unhappy in general and how it's just changed
because of the way that we communicate with the world.
rounds down social media right encourage that unhappiness by
amplifying divisions in society, encouraging us to join groups
that
don't seek to foster communication and build bridges.
So we also have an item about the 3d printed guns. I was on
the news last week. The Fall we made the multi provincial the
cross Canada operation that led to a number of arrests and
seizures. of printed guns.
So and the reality was the internet so Canada can have
prohibitions but United States we have a different view of
dance
so I am the lead for device simulator
was founded by Cody Wilson.
So Wilson is
you want some lawyer with that term?
So maybe less anarchists and libertarians have no idea is the
freely available typography people have more is the more
freedom they can hide from the government so Defense
Distributed
user making
some other states they talk about freedom of speech and the
right to bear arms. So these go together in this case
so this is a little bit disturbing I think. So
cryptography isn't bad. You can use it to protect
personal information and improve our personal security but
photography is also used for us.
Society differently in ways
so.
Perspective idea what's your public interest in Republic good
at different again what the general population might think?
Have you heard about this apple anti trust case? In the States?
green bubbles are the iMessage on iPhone.
So back to our iPhone or Android So who has Android? Do you ever
feel pressure from people with blue bubbles? Or do you talk to
people who love
to chat with a bit of a page and don't receive messages that
everyone else received?
So di folder users and group chats and they support your
Android phone.
Yeah, I just recently switched about six months ago, away from
my phones. And I haven't really found much of a difference is
like doing things there's a it's literally just group chats and I
have one group chat with my dad and my brother that sometimes
once in six months has been my stuff.
experiences with that
so in this article they talk about the difference in the
approach for the Department of Justice in phrasing it in terms
of.
See
Apple is currently affirmatively undermines the quality of rival
smartphones
the negative cultural and emotional impact of the
restrictiveness of some apple products. Your range is beyond
the typical antitrust case, which investigators might focus
on super, super competitive pricing or the condition of
corporate deals. That restrict competition. The core us core of
us antitrust cases have long been proven consumers pay higher
prices as a result of anti competitive practices but a few
key paragraphs in the filing mentioned the exclusion and
social shaming of some nine iPhone users. confined inside
green chat bubbles distinguishing the case from
some of the more rare conduct explanations of such market
competition in recent years.
So I'm curious, do you use other messaging apps like WhatsApp or
signal or some others?
Is that a viable alternative? Or should should the basic software
on the phone get dropped all the others of the software
in theory it sounds okay that you could use a whatsapp or
messenger or something like that. But at the end of the day,
everyone that's on iPhone, knowing that because I was there
at one point, you don't want to switch between all these apps
was the message different people and I think iPhone is taking
steps to move away from SMS and go into it and encrypted
messaging protocol called RCS was sometime in 2020. When it
might never happen as well.
So keep an eye on that. So this is what they're a couple of came
up today.
Large language models emergent abilities are a mirage
so I just wanted to point out
so on the one hand
the big bench is about The Imitation Game. Standard so
getting getting the correct results is the usual way that
The Imitation Game is related to the Turing test that it appears
like you're not dealing with a computer. You're dealing with a
person as the size of the models grow, so the number of
parameters tend to the night.
That's a lot of parameters
so the buildings that existed when the large large malls have
this order, grounders or cableless didn't exist, that
size of model. Trump here when we increase the number of
parameters so we've seen the sharp incline of the curve using
the standard metric but using other measurements this the game
isn't as isn't as unexpected
so an example in the articles about addition as emergent
property. So these large as long as that larger chat chat TV 3.5
and four
we have in addition but another another way to look at that is
just making good guesses
such
So on one hand, we have an exponentially increasing number
of parameters. Then things become
possible and when we used to be viewed as a big ad
so taking the devil's advocate approach and saying once upon
guessing the right number of digits and a sum that's the way
we get to the exam results line.
So this is an early line of inquiry.
The senator scene
like to say the profs progress of AI is not impressive.
So don't believe your eyes fig floors have been a problem. For
a long time this. This was posted today and so it's talking
about famous fake images
making three four Loch Ness Monster photo
this is from a Soviet Army photographer. This is to Horizon
2022 photo of Queen Elizabeth with her grandkids
It looks like she just been added there. Here's the original
photo of John Kerry, which has been apparently updated to
include a picture of Jane Fonda. And then here's the more recent
the most recent one with Kate and her kids. That's been
manipulated.
So there are some marks or some reasons for skepticism
so I thought this is interesting does show how quickly we can
make a fake image
don't think they're sound?
wasn't quick enough
they say this wasn't intentional
this was in Baltimore. Last night
there was some.
And the dynamic pricing for groceries is an audio file from
the current today
so, the economies of computing are important to those who
develop and provide computing resources and services to others
as well as society in general. They are equally important to
users of these resources and services both professional and
non professional.
So what.
So what are some economic aspects that we've talked about
or encountered with regards to computing?
The Atlanta Trust Case
So do we. We wire let's say a Saturday redraw facility
prevent computing companies do their own thing. It's going to
be good for society.
Any thoughts about that
so we talked about attention economy or that was brought up
with surveillance capitalism. And also in the social dilemma
maybe
do we need to forgive
forward the race for attention the focus on collecting more and
more data about people so we can tailor their experience online
to keep their attention
and manipulate their behavior
is anyone a little more weary, weary of social media? After
seeing that sort of social dilemma anyone
anyone think
it's worth
it's worth the data collection to be able to get an ad. You
just walked by and saw one of your phones
terrified of how quickly they a response to things that I've
searched for things today.
Here's another movie reference you want to do it to minority
report
anyone told one person Tom Cruise I'm not sure which one of
my favorites
this makes me feel old
Same thing goes for somebody.
was basically selling cell phones so despite the light
flashing two daughters felt old, too. Anyway, so the Minority
Report there's a few scenes where he's going down the mall
and seeing ads on his phone or device as he walks by the store
is also some interesting use of technology which doesn't seem so
advanced now but it was then
2002
So if you're not paying for something you are the product
So some other things to think about. How do we make money if
you will be a cultivator and connects us to start a company
makes untold riches. That's that's one dream that was
popular in the early 2000s. And it still is
today I guess if we're going to be ethical about it, if we
released free or open software how do we survive? And what is
the future of programming jobs? With AI as a tool, so short
germinating, we're using AI as as a support to augment our own
buildings. But then at some point after we add a few more
zeros, these numbers of browsers
to the tools have become payable enough that we don't have to
worry about writing code. And that's what we do. So I
mentioned I put a link here for bag pricing and its tagline was
for groceries. technological approach Uber does surge pricing
platforms.
Knology to enable this for other forms like groceries, counting
price a certain time of the day. You might get a discount
so these are
these are
anyway with that some other time zero

Responses

What important concept or perspective did you encounter today?

Today I learnt how social media can cause unhappines to users.
Misinformation being presented when told about Kate Middleton’s cancer
The convenience and potential threats brought by 3D printing technology
Photo manipulation has been going on for a long time and that with the rise of AI and tech detecting fake photos will be a lot harder.
Regarding the different perspectives of gun laws in the states and canada, especially with respect to the 3d printed gun situation.
A new perpective on how economics are affected by computer science
news articles and first human Neuralink patient controlling a computer with his thoughts
Economics of computing
Today we talked about the economics of computing, as well as Apple antitrust and 3D printed guns.
Nothing that important.
everything
How photo manipulation can produce a terrible outcome is a important concept.
The statistics on younger Canadians (below 30 years) less happy
How happiness of an individual is affected by social media. It indirectly influences by making a person anxious even though scrolling hasn’t proved to bring any beneficial outcomes still people are getting more and more pulled into it.
Economies of computing for example computers collecting peoples data and influence their chooses in the market.
NO
about neuralink
We talked about the assignment, economics of computing, etc.
Kate middleton has cancer?! and that Some European grocery stores have adopted dynamic pricing
I learned about how people are using 3D printing software to build guns. This is both an impressive and terrifying development because of an old technology can be repurchased to build functioning tools while also making it easier to mass produce lethal weapons while making it difficult to trace weapons found in a crime scene.
We must consider legislating the economy of attention so that humans' attention is not unethically manipulated for profit.
I thought the Apple anti-trust case was important, it raises the question about proper ethics in the industry and if it is okay for Apple to have their services act as a walled garden.
The presentation for cips
Ethical Prospective of the Assignment
Neuralink patient controlling a computer
3D printed gun
Understanding the economic dynamics of computing is crucial for both providers of computing resources and services and for society at large.
An important perspective I encountered yesterday was the concept of 3D printed guns, I had no clue that was a thing and it makes me wonder what other things can be illegally printed to promote violence and harm. And how the law can ban these types of things from being printed. It seems all new technology brings good and bad such as AI and deepfakes but how can we as computing professionals stop the bad of emerging technology from happening?
no
not really
impact of phones sms and social media. Iphone as an example
ethics
personal skills
The CIPS presentation contained tons of info. Reflecting back on that presentation I am very happy they came in. I think it’s super important to have a society that I can be apart of and I can’t wait to go to one of their events.
News updates, Economics of computing
How LLMs’ are neither surprising nor unpredictable, but are actually the consequence of how we measure ability in AI.
The concept of dynamic pricing
Something I found interesting was about the lawsuit of apple and not owning a iPhone
Today, we talked about economics in computing. One of the explained examples was Neuralink and I think that this will have a huge impact of ethics in the future because of how it effects us. It will change every aspect of technology. So I feel that the ACM code of ethics will need to decide on where Neuralink will sit ethically wise.
The idea that 3D printing guns can be dangerous
The crackdown on 3D printed guns - how the Canadian provinces are responding to this issue.
Kate Middleton, Apple Antitrust Case, Dynamic pricing (for groceries)
How owning an Android is treated like its less than Apple, even though they both offer the same features and purpose
I learned that some people may be pressured into buying Apple products so they fit in with the messaging system
We talked about many things such as how AI relates to economics, how easily someone can fake a photo, and what should be done about 3D printed guns.
3D printed guns in Canada which is a serious concern because they are untraceable
neuralink
We discussed few about assingments, apple antitrust case
I learnt that the economies of computing is important to those who develop and provide computing resources to others.
Everything
No
We discussed about few of the topics from the previous assignment
Economies for computing
I think today is the due for assognment 3 and as professor discuss about that in the class it was very nice to clear all doubts about the assognment.
some basic understanding as per the meeting planned
Today we had a discussion about all the in the new topics which were related to 3D printed guns, about the CIPS assignment and its usefulness.
In today’s class, we discussed the CIPS presentation, along with the skills assignment part 2. We also discussed Kate Middleton’s recent diagnosis, and apple’s antitrust case. We also discussed AI, and how quickly CBC News was able to put Pope Francis in a jacket because of photoshop’s latest update
Today we discussed about risks
An important concept I encountered today was how misinformation could be anywhere. It is easy to get misinformed.
Recent news about kate, effect of social media and smartphones on our behaviour, 3d printed guns
Economies of Computing
Some information about assignment 2 and CISP
Today's important concepts regarded the news (Kate Middleton having cancer, the happiness of Canadians, 3D printed guns, etc.). Another topic that was brought to my attention was the Apple Antitrust and shaming people with Android phones by using the green text bubbles. I had never thought of it in a point of view of shaming Android users and it was really interesting to learn the true psychology behind it. We also discussed a little bit about the economics of computing, LLMs, and more.
Everything
That there's a stigma around green text bubbles
Addition emergent property of LLMS
assignment
No
I learnt economies of computing
No
I believe we talked about economics in the computer world.
Great choicesv takes time
Today we encountered a lot of news online (Kate Middleton w/ Cancer, Happiness: how Canadians are less happy especially how our everyday life involved social media, 3D printed guns, ... etc.) through the news articles we talked about how some news aren't as credible (false news), how smartphones are changing the way we communicate with the world, how different places have different perspectives. Class ended with the "if you aren't paying for the product, then you are the product"
altered or fake photos are not a new concepct
A perspective I encountered today is that software really does pose a risk of harm in many different ways other than just 1s and 0s. This came to me after I watched the video on how 3D guns are being printed and how this all occurred from just some code.
I learned the economies of computing are important to those who develop and provide computing resources and services to others as well as society in general. They are equally important to users of these resources and services, both professional and non-professional.
Important news articles
-
The photoshop and 3d guns
I got to know about defence distributed and other things.
The misuse of technology such as 3D printing firearms and animal testing for neuralink. As well as the economics of technology, trying to find a balance between what can make the most profit while still maintaining your ethical principles
I got to know about latest new regarding the corse today.
we discussed about assignment today
Today’s lecture was interesting
Economies of computing
understanding the economies of computing is crucial for developers, providers, and users of computing resources and services, as well as for society as a whole, due to its impact on resource allocation and utilization.
dynamic pricing
Nothing
today we discuss about the problems faced by the students in assignment submission and problem was sorted out . apart from that we discuss some news in the class like apple antitrust case
Nothing
Importance of this subject in the field I feel
All the concepts
Concepts of Ethical Background
Economic impact of computing technology
Skills assignment resolved
How easy it is to fake something
No
apple anti trust case
Apple anti trust case
Apple Antitrust Case
About CIPS
Economic impacts of computing technology
I learned that younger Canadians are becoming less happy, which could be a direct impact from social media usage.
i learnt about the apple antitrust lawsuit, how fake photos are a huge problem on the internet, and the idea of dynamic pricing in grocery stores that are emerging
About CIPS how they work and their mission.
Today I learned what is the future of programming jobs with AI as a tool.
An important concept I encountered today is that if you aren't being charged, you are the product. I found this to be an interesting quote as it sheds light on the fact that everything comes with a price. Though on the surface there are apps and websites that allow you to access their resources for free, there are hidden motives and methods that allow these companies to make profit (some of which are ethical, others of which are not).
Photo manipulation and that with AI it's becoming more commonly used and can be really realistic
none
The economies of computing
what are the challenges that android users face and got know that Kate Middleton has cancer
Peer pressure and social dilemna revolving around Apple antitrust case
How neuralink works
About the new Apple case lawsuit

Was there anything today that was difficult to understand?

No, the class was informative.
No
no
No everything explain in the class made sense
Didn't understand the relevance of the Kate Middleton story.
there was nothing difficult to understand
no
no
It was difficult to understand how we would be able to make money ethically.
I understood everything taught today
Why did we talk about the bridge collapse?
no
There was no difficulty.
No
The slogan that if you are not paying anything for a product then you the the product
NO
everything was clear
No
not really, everything was pretty straight forward
There was anything difficult today i had a bit problem with the profile planner but it was cleared
Not particularly
No not really
no
No
no
no
Something that was difficult for me to understand was the public was so eager to know what was wrong with Kate Middleton and why they made up so many elaborate reasons for her not being open about her surgery. It is as if the public does not realize she is a human being who needs time to process all of these things
not really
I'm a little confused on how all the different topics relate to eachother. The different topics all seem a bit disjoint.
no
no
No
No
Not really, just surprised about how groceries prices sometimes change throughout the day!
nothing was difficult to understand today
no
Why Apple wasn't forced to adopt USB-C sooner.
No
Nothing was difficult to understand today
No
the mission of cips
nothing
NO
no
Nope
No
NO
No. I dont think that there is anything difficult to understand today.
no
No
Everything made sense and was straight forward.
No
The concept of dynamic pricing and how it’s used by companies was a little confusing. I also wonder if there are or there should be any legal restrictions or laws against this.
Dr. He prints writing was a little hard to read today.
no
No
no
Please write on bigger on the board.
No
No
no
No
No
not really
No
Not today.
no
n/a
no
Nope
There was not.
Nope
-
No
What was Apple antitrust about I could not understand in detail.
I don't think there was anything difficult to understand.
no
Not really
NO
Not really
none
Nothing
no only there was problem in listening . acc to me you are a great professor but there is just one issue is that you voice is little bit low
No
no
No
Nope
No i understood everything that was taught in the class today
Nothing
No
No
no
No
no
No
Nothing was difficult to understand in today’s lecture.
everything was clear and was interesting to learn about
Everything was clear to understand
no
Nope, I was able to understand everything that happened in class today.
No
no
No,everything was pretty understandable.
No.
no
No
No

Was there anything today about which you would like to know more?

I would like to know more about apple's antitrust issue that was introduced in the class.
Apple users shaming android users over green texts
Is there a way to fundamentally prevent 3D-printed guns, just like people can't photocopy banknotes?
How can we fight against heavily manipulated pictures that are impossible to tell? Is it even possible to detect them once AI or someone mastered their manipulation techniques?
Not today, no.
Knowing more about the neurolink system would be great as I think that is the next step of Virtual Reality
no
no
i would like to know more about the future of jobs with AI being popularized and a part of many things now.
Not really, but we can talk about final exam.
i learned all i needed today
Preventative ways to handle photo manipulation.
Neuralink
I was unsure how the baltimore bridge collapse had anything specifically to do with online data security and ethics. I can understand how it deals with real life security and ethics, but what part about this is an online-related issue?
How Technology mainly affect peoples rate of happiness especially in a developed countries.
NO
about apple antitrust case
No
no
I would like to know more about economic factors affecting computing ethics
N/a
I feel every topic was well covered
Neuralink patient controlling a computer
Smartphones Sid effects
No
no
no
not at all
no
no
No
No
How exactly is the calculation done in order to alter the prices of groceries in a day
I would like to know more about the 3D guns that were being made and were a threat to the police
What other seemingly harmless items could potentially be dangerous?
I would like to re-watch Minority Report.
No
Large Language Model Performance (LLMP)
neuralink
nothing
NO
no
No
No
no
No there was norhing which I would like to know more, except from final exam information.
no
NO
I would like to learn more about how AI can be used to manipulate the truth, along with the measures we can take to protect ourselves from it.
No
I would like to know more about Kate Middleton.
no
No
no
I am just excited to see whatever this class has in store.
No
No
no
No
No
no
No
No.
no
n/a
no
I would like to know more about this ongoing lawsuit against Apple for their planned exclusion for people who use other brands of phones.
I will look for other study cases.
Popular photo manipulations in history
-
About the final exam
Absolutely,I would like to know more about the impact of large language model on jobs like web development,Ux design,development,what the future of programming jobs look like and what we can do as cs students to learn futureproof (AI) skills which IT employers will value.Is cloud computing an AI safe career?
I would like to know more about the topics I learned today.
no
The knowledge by professor was good enough to understand
NO
going forward I would like to know more about Neuralink
none
Nothing
no anything special , but i want to know more about the econimies of computing
No
no
No
Nope
Concepts of Ethical Background
None
No
No
no
No
not particularly
No
There is nothing else that I would like to know more about from today.
i have grasped the basic idea of the knowledge needed for todays topic
No
no
I would like to learn more about the "Addition Emergent Property" and see more examples of its application.
No
no
No.
Wanna know more about differences between android and mac users
No
No

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